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Strongly agree: scribbling requirements, process maps, and block diagrams goes a long way to understanding what needs to be done, as well as getting us to think through what'll be the easy parts and pinch-points.

Goes back to Fred Brooks' Mythical Man-Month: Start with understanding the requirements; then design the architecture. Only after that, begin programming.


And how did that turn out? Complete and utter disaster, as I remember it.


Yes, Riffraff -- We did that film (yep, 16mm film) just a few months after I finished writing Cuckoo's Egg. At the time, the world was ignorant of words like "Internet" "Unix" and "e-mail", so I had to define each of these as I went along.


Oh, Thotcon was way fun, Server of cobras. The organizers gave me liberty to fool around, and there was a full house. Terrific time there!


Thanks, Resistor-burner!

   I have fun with every Klein bottle order.  When someone buys a Klein bottle, I celebrate by walking through our backyard garden, looking for new blossoms.  I usually take a few photos and send these to my customer-friend.

  This micro business puts me in touch with fascinating people (I've met kids in elementary school, grad students, Nobel laureates, even a delightful nut who made a 4-meter tall wooden Klein bottle for Burning Man).  The kind of people you find here on Hacker News.

  PS - with reference to your HN identity -- from my ham radio days of long ago, I once experimentally determined that a 1/2 watt, 600 ohm Ohmite resistor would burn up when inserted in a 120V outlet.  Hmmm: 24 watts into a half-watt resistor?  Yep, filled the room with that acrid smell...   Don't try this at home.


Fame, alas, is of little use when you're a tiny seller. Indeed, Amazon's brand registry and seller interaction systems are built to minimize human interactions.


I'm sorry they did this to you. But you're famous in my book. Not just because the bottles either!


//(blush)//


Yep, I'm the same guy. Almost 40 years ago, I chased down those German hackers in my unix boxes; not knowing a thing about writing, I wrote Cuckoo's Egg. (a long story there - how to write a book)

Since then, I've lowered my periscope: my wife, Pat, and I decided to stay home together and raise two kids. They're now fledged - hooray! During that time, I started this micro-business of making Klein bottles - much fun!

Alas, but this past December, my wife left this vale of toil and tears. During the day, staying busy helps keep the grief under control; other times I'm in deep sadness, trying to find my way without her.

To all my friends & acquaintances on HN: my deep thanks for your kindness & support across decades. It's a joy to be considered a member of the tribe.


I’m so sorry to hear about your loss. We’ve never met but I feel like I know you because of your book and many other works, and I feel your loss.


You're welcome, Colin! Across the decades, I appreciate the smiles and advice from Hacker News. How'd I ever reach 75 years old?


You're only 10 years older than me, and I'm hoping to be as active and engaged as you are for a long time to come ... you are a fantastic role model, especially with your interaction with, and inspiration of, the younger generation.

Long may it continue, and I hope to take you up on your invitation to visit again.


Cliff Stoll here. The brand hijacking on Amazon USA was fixed.

But Amazon Canada listing is still held by Amvoom. I'm unable to sell Klein bottles in Canada. sigh

If anyone knows how to fix this, please send email to me!

Many thanks, -Cliff


Are you still using the little forklift robot from the Numberphile video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3mVnRlQLU


Yep, Ritkew ... that homebrew forklift helps pull boxes of glass manifolds every day. The crawlspace is maybe 2 feet tall, and I don't like crawling around there.

It's how I cheat my chiropractor.


Man, I enjoyed this so much. I love seeing people who just get things done, aren't too picky about solutions, and demonstrate ingenuity like this. I really admire it. Making things work with what you've got is an amazing skill, and something I need to work on more. I always want things to be 'just so' and I fail to appreciate how awesome things can be, even if they aren't perfect.


Hey Cliff, just curious: how were you made aware that this post on HN is trending?


Hi Matt,

   All of a sudden, I got three or four Klein bottle orders.  That's a lot for an hour!  One of the orders (thank you Bryan in Johnstown) mentioned Hacker News.  And, well, here I am.


> That's a lot for an hour!

If you still handcraft each personally, that's keine kleine Klein problem.


He hasn't for quite a while afaik, way too time intensive to build by hand so he (at least last I saw 10 years ago) had a big batch made by a glass blowing company.


Yep, I no longer make regular Klein bottles. I'm a so-so glassblower. (Indeed, most glass workers would consider me a good physicist. Physicists would say that I'm a good computer jock. Computer people think that I know a lot about math. Mathematicians feel that I'm a good glassblower.

Keep 'em all guessing.


Someone in there thinks you're an excellent fork lift roboticist as well


I wandered lonely as a clod,

Just picking up old rags and bottles,

When onward on my way I plod,

I saw a host of axolotls;

Beside the lake, beneath the trees,

A sight to make a man’s blood freeze.

//

Some had handles, some were plain;

They came in blue, red pink, and green.

A few were orange in the main;

The damnedest sight I’ve ever seen.

The females gave a sprightly glance;

The male ones all wore knee-length pants.

//

Now oft, when on the couch I lie,

The doctor asks me what I see.

They flash upon my inward eye

And make me laugh in fiendish glee.

I find my solace then in bottles,

And I forget them axolotls.

     //Mad Magazine, issue 43, 1958 //


This is the whimsy I needed today :)


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