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I would classify training and research more as capital investment than overhead.

Contrary to popular belief, plenty of long-term profitable businesses have no moat. It's just that if you use Warren Buffett's investment strategy and want to buy stocks to keep for decades, companies with moats are the surest way of doing that.

Excess returns.

Heard of it? No? Shut up then. You have no idea what you’re talking about.


That's Starshield, which is not under Musk's control. Reportedly the WH did make the decision.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/order-limit-starshield-...

It's the same tech but after Musk took flack for making a decision on Ukraine's military use, they split off a portion for the US government to control.


Again, as repeated elsewhere in the thread, Musk requested that Starshield be slowed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/16/musk-appro...


Anonymous source can say anything and telegraph can fully make it up also. And it also doesn't matter if Musk suggested it.

The fact is Starshield is controlled by US Govt and they decide what happens with it. Not Musk.

Starlink is controlled by SpaceX, Musk decides what happens with it. It is not allowed to use Starlink for most military purposes. Nothing changed now.


Complaints about anonymous sources might be legitimate when there are legitimate protections for whistleblowers, but an autocratic regime like the US' current government does not deserve any benefit of the doubt - they literally keep openly threatening dissenters and whistleblowers!

Until the rule of law has been re-established and participants have been prosecuted, the standard you're holding sources to is unreasonable.


Before the execution livestream was called off, Trump said that people who leak to the press should be shot. It doesn't take a big leap to see where this is going and what the stakes are.

that's just your opinion; biased opinion at that. When the autocratic regime of Obama ruined Snowden's life, where was your outrage?

No, it's pretty universally accepted that blowing the whistle is not safe under autocratic regimes.

You're not asking in good faith, so I won't dignify your whataboutism with a discussion.


Say a truth and mix it with some lies. Good job calling democratic government as autocratic. Remember it when your democratic govt is called communist.

That seems an uncharitable assumption. I for one strongly object both to today's abuses and the treatment of Snowden, and GP may well feel the same.

"Uncharitable assumptions" are this user's whole MO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50154028

It's probably best not to feed the troll.


Uncharitable assumption? hello?

This whole thread started with uncharitable assumption saying Musk did it. The fact is Starshield is govt controlled and spacex/musk is not responsible for any change like this.

I object today's abuses and treatment of snowden assange etc too. That doesn't mean I have to have TDS/EDS and uncharitable assumption for people I don't like and charitable for the ones I like.


The Starshield portion of Starlink is already controlled by the government. It was Starshield that restricted access to Ukraine, and the decision reportedly came from the White House.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/order-limit-starshield-...

OP's article of course is about spectrum allocation in the US and potential trade retaliation, which isn't all that related to Musk's control of Starlink.


Current reporting is that Musk approached the White House with the idea of slowing down Starshield.

And the situation here is that Musk's instability is causing Europe to want to not depend on Starlink, and by extension not depend on the US. So now we're using other organs of the state to essentially coerce them into using a system that is de facto controlled by an unstable foreigner, but is part of the US defense apparatus.


That is what sources told The Telegraph[0]

[0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/16/musk-appro...


Wall Street Journal is now reporting that Musk ordered the restriction.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/10/20/trump-musk-starlink-ukra...


It was cut off, not slowed. Maybe Musk tried to lessen the impact of raging Cheetos?

I think "slowed down" is a strange description of what happened, which is that it was cut off above a certain speed limit. As in a terminal physically traveling faster than (IIRC) 100 miles per hour would shut off.

Perhaps also worth noting that Starlink is used only for defensive purposes, specifically against "Shahed" drones, which have top speeds of 340 km/h (210 mph). Restricting the speed is effectively helping Putin/Russia murder civilians.

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What? I genuinely don't understand your theory. Can you re-state it?

It seems like you're saying the reporting "Elon Musk approaches White House with proposal to add travel speed limit to Starshield in Ukraine, which severely degrades Ukrainian defense" cannot possibly be because Musk and/or the White House want to damage Ukraine?


Are you taking the telegraph reporting seriously?

Oh! I get it.

Musk didn’t do this, therefore the reporting is wrong.

The reporting is wrong, therefore Musk didn’t do this.

We don’t even need countervailing evidence. The whole perfect circular structure is right there for all to see.

Makes total sense!


Wall Street Journal is now reporting that not only did Musk SUGGEST doing this, but he actually did it himself and then spoke with POTUS after the fact.

Ready to update your priors?


> and the decision reportedly came from the White House.

That looks like outdated information. The request to slow Starshield came directly from Musk.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/16/musk-appro...


Which sounds more plausible - that Musk is able to bypass the US government to do whatever he wants with Starshield in Ukraine or that the US administration did this to comply with Trump's wishes to remind the Ukrainians that they are dependent on the US and cannot ignore the wishes of the US President?

Nothing says Musk bypassed the government. The currently reported story is that Musk (presumably seeing Trump was throwing in his lot with Russia), approached the White House with an idea, and the White House agreed to it.

> The Starshield portion of Starlink is already controlled by the government.

How do you suggest this is implemented, in a way that Musk has no way to control it?


This is a superhero origin story if I've ever seen one.

Yes, and since so many apparently edible things are quite harmful, it seems reasonable to be cautious about new ones.

They might not consider the cold gas thrusters to be particular trade secrets. They're very simple devices.

Well I'd say they're ahead of N1 considering that N1 never made it to orbit.

Hmm.

I suppose, depending on how you count.

The N1 was cancelled after four explosions, and the fourth Starship launch was non-explody.

But the fourth N1 launch was 10 years after the N1 work was started. Starship began work under a different name in 2012, and by 2022 it had yet to launch at all, let alone reach the non-explody stage.

If you assume all the pre-2016-rebrand work was scrapped, then you can have it beating the N1; otherwise I think my point stands.


For the first few years they were just doing design work, and it's hard to say how much effort they were putting in since their focus back then was Falcon; the first Falcon 9 landing was 2015, and the first Falcon Heavy flight was 2018. For Starship they didn't even decide on stainless steel until 2019.

Comparing apples to apples, this seems to be the appropriate starting point for N1:

> Studied and designed by OKB-1 since 1959, it was the counterpart to the US Saturn V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(rocket)

First launch was 1969. Starship's first launch was in 2023, so it took one extra year from initial concept to launch.

Starting from first launch, N1 did four launches in three years and never succeeded. Starship did 15 launches in three years, had multiple mission successes in which they achieved orbital velocity but had planned a suborbital trajectory, and then orbited on the 15th launch. Their first mission reaching orbital velocity was in 2024.

Also worth mentioning that a lot of the Starship work focuses on full reusability, a quite difficult problem which N1 did not attempt.


Because if each neuron represents a small set of similar concepts instead of several completely different things, it should be easier than expected to look inside the neural net and see what it's really thinking.

It might still be quite difficult since the network is huge, and just because you know what the individual neurons represent doesn't mean you understand the complicated thoughts they're building. But easier than expected is still good news.


Also, here is a list of his papers and citations.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/author/Eliezer-Yudkowsky/254...


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