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I think it's less that it doesn't hold and more that many people saying this are being disingenuous.


You’re “not forced to use them” in exactly the same way you’re not forced to use Apple.


There's a fairly big difference between a duopoly, which, for the record, major government services rely on (if you want the COVID tracking app its either iOS or Android, if you want an app that your senator will use, you probably have to make it for iOS, etc.), and services that you can actually wholesale replace in your product like a payment processor. Not to mention certain school courses that are taught with iOS, etc. Apple has worked very hard to position themselves as one of the only players in the space, and they've succeeded! There is certainly an argument that the duopoly situation is fine, but it is in absolutely no way the "exact same" as with Apple and the AppStore.


Consoles are also effectively a duopoly, and yet Microsoft has argued that they should be allowed to keep third-party app stores off the Xbox while also signing on to the lawsuit to try and force Apple to open up their own.


I feel like you stopped reading my comment as soon as you hit the word "duopoly". Look at the specific reasons I gave why phone AppStores are different: they are increasingly necessary for everyday life. COVID-tracking, political interaction, school courses, paying for parking, etc. etc. The day XBox becomes one of the few ways to do these things, and not primarily a means to play video games, then it would be appropriate for the calculus to change there too. You can bring up Keurig coffee cups too, but the implications just aren't the same.


at the end of the day there is always an alternative to ios though: the other OS that controls 87% of the market.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/272307/market-share-fore...

ios isn't a monopoly, there is always the other option. The option that has six times the marketshare.

again, this is literally about shutting down any possibility of a company ever offering a "walled garden" model. It's not that apple is dominant in the market - they're not. You have many many alternatives to using their devices, they're about an eighth of the market. But even that eighth cannot be allowed to exist, that business model has to be shut down permanently.


That will be a crucial point of the ruling to come yes, as the full version is "You're not forced to use them to sell on the market", and it depends on what you define as "the market".

If you consider selling apps to ios devices to be its own market, then yes you are forced to use Apple. If you don't consider that to be its own market but only a part of the actual "phones and tablets apps" market then no you are not forced to use Apple.

I believe because of the size of their userbase that apps for ios devices are a market on their own, therefore "you are forced to use Apple" applies. Here the EU seems to agree.


I'm pretty sure they allow you to define safe areas where you can leave things without the lost indicator firing.


This could be a good workaround


I'd guess it's skewed towards the former.


Maybe not from a security perspective, but WeChat has been extremely successful by virtue of implementing everything in one app.


WeChat has been extremely successful by virtue of being the only app the government allows you to use in a country of a billion people.


It has the same concurrency semantics w/r/t IO as any other language that isn't using an event based runtime. If you wrote your app in C and used a single thread you'd have the exact same issue.


His point about wifi network polling is spot on. I noticed this exact issue once all of my meetings moved to Zoom. It turns out that location services on my Mac frequently poll all of the nearby networks, causing tons of dropped packets which broke up the audio and video in Zoom. Once I figured this out, which took a while, I had to completely disable location services to resolve it.

Switching to a Unifi router and picking an empty DFS channel also improved my wifi experience significantly since I live in a NYC high rise. For those that don't know, many routers allow you to use a set of 5GHz "DFS" channels that are normally reserved for aircraft radar. By regulation, any router broadcasting on a DFS channel must be able to detect radar interference and switch to a non DFS channel immediately for a period of 30 minutes or so. If you live in an area that aircraft regularly hit with radar this be very disruptive, but if not, these channels often perform better than the dedicated 5GHz channels since most routers don't use DFS channels by default.


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