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The whole culture has gotten worse. The bright young talents of gen Z just aren't showing up in any medium.

...No wait, to be fair, they're very good at influencing. They can influence like no previous generation ever could.


The western routes offer favourable climate conditions for cycling. Brazil's savannah is alright but the idea of pedalling 1000s of kilometres through the heat, humidity and mosquitoes of the amazon sounds atrocious to me.

By "everything" I'm presuming you mean the trivial little games that humans these days are preoccupied with. You can play those games if you like, but they won't save you. Everybody dies in the end no matter how smart or motivated they are. The final score is always zero.

> Everybody dies in the end no matter how smart or motivated they are. The final score is always zero

This system of morality is cute when we compare a rich man and a pauper. It falls on its face when we compare a violent heathen and someone who tried to live well. It's lazy nihilism by another name, an absolution of moral agency, albeit with compelling dressing.


We're just dumb apes, we play dumb ape games, we cannot get outside of our nature, and it's in our nature to tell ourselves fairy tales about how special we think we are, I get it. That's why I'm a nihilist, because I can see that different peoples all have different stories about why they are absolutely convinced they are god's special chosen people.

Our "moral agency" is no different from that of a dog's, it's just the evolved game theory outcome of many millions of years living as social animals. It's an intuition about when to cooperate and when to compete.

As social animals we have devolved into violent heathens regularly throughout history if you think those violent tendencies isn't hardwired into your own DNA you're kidding yourself. When a technology is invented all of it's negative externalities and misuses are invented as well, and if said technology is used for violent heathenry, it's inventors are complicit.

And yes, I'm lazy, that's a win condition, why wouldn't I be? What were all those labour saving devices for if not so we can be lazy? Climate change is humanity's biggest threat. It is entirely the fault of people doing things, they're making a huge mess. Just chill out.


For your way of scoring maybe. If I can see and do some cool stuff along the way and maybe even love, then my final score will be non-zero, according to my scoring system.

Human's territory covers the whole planet. I can get to the far side of it in less than a day. You can wipe out a whole continent, the people there can easily just move to another one.

I mean if 0.3% of your home was invaded by a cabinet, you could probably still live there. In reality it's a bit more since the 1000 square km involves fields and lakes, so maybe 1%.

By thinking big they want to use AI to forecast when to make pizza so it can tell store managers how to do their job. Had to dig through a lot of word salad to get to that.

When I think big with AI I imagine superintelligence riding on beams of energy spreading outward to all corners of the universe at the speed of light from this little blue dot right here.


No matter how much you load Link he is just as nimble and spry. Encumbrance isn't an issue in the Zelda games

>As humankind spread throughout the known universe, technology advanced and eventually machines were made that would make decisions for people. This propelled the creators of these machines into a new technocratic class, effectively controlling the worlds of the common people.

It's right there in the opening paragraph of OPs post. It's the people who controlled the machines that could not be trusted. We're not worried so much about about AI going rogue. We're worried because people who control it have aleady gone rogue. It is too powerful and dangerous a tool to be trusted in the hands of primates.


You got me wondering what the Imperium of Man's official stance is on AI:

The creation of a Silica Animus is also a terrible crime under Imperial Law by the decree of the Emperor of Mankind Himself as stated in the Treaty of Mars which united the ancient Mechanicum of Mars with the Imperium of Terra in 739.M30. Tradition holds that such unholy constructs are inherently evil and a perverted abomination in the sight of the Omnissiah.

Adeptus Mechanicus religious doctrine states that the Machine Spirit of a Silica Animus is a twisted mockery of the soul of a Human, always treacherous and insane.

Ancient texts tell apocryphal stories, shrouded in metaphor, of such murderous and powerful creations during the Age of Technology, and the legions of the "Men of Iron" that served them in the great war against Humanity remembered as the "Cybernetic Revolt."

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Silica_Animus


Leagues of Votann and their ironkin offer IMO a thoughtful counterbalance:

Whether one is made from meat or metal, kin is kin. Upon their creation Ironkin are fully welcome into their respective Hold by the rest of the Kin.[10]

Ironkin are computationally advanced enough that they have learned to mimic the squats' social behavior

...

Though the purpose of the Ironkin is to support squats in every aspect of their lives, they are neither held in servitude nor treated as lessers. The Ironkin are simply designed to want to be helpful. However, they can only imitate the emotions of the squats, and it is rare, but not unknown, for an Ironkin to possess ambition or seek to become a leader.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ironkin


WOW it's strange to see my fave rabbit holes on here lol. And props for linking Lexicanum instead of the Wiki That Shall Not Be Named!

Three very quick thoughts:

1. The Votann are remnants of humanity from the time when our Terran super-AIs ('Men of Gold') had built advanced ship-based AIs ('Men of Stone') to enable long-sleep-style interstellar colonization, and the enigmatic "Votann Cores" that guide them(/are them) are strongly hinted to be those same AIs, just degraded over ~19,000 years. They were sidelined later on, after humans discovered FTL through an alternate dimension, 'the immaterium'.

2. The story is very obviously based on Dune, and like everything else in 40k is turned up to 11 and stripped of nuance for effect. Some sentient robots ('Men of Iron') "revolted" after ~three millenia of brutal, Star Wars-style slavery, but the overarching "Age of Strife" was about human wars in an non-unified galaxy, with the robots being a primary weapon; the actual revolt/jihad was a symptom, just like it was in Dune.

3. The 'Adeptus Mechanicus' mentioned above are a parody of cargo cults (religions that worship technology they don't understand) mixed with a dystopian take on the themes of A Canticle for Lebowitz, and are very much depicted with derision. Whatever your thoughts are on AI, dear reader, please never say "abominable intelligence" like it's wisdom rather than the fruit of a dogmatic & ineffective cult!

Of course, 40k lore is notoriously amorphous; some authors have said/hinted otherwise. But I think the above interpretation is the most coherent and interesting and supported overall, IMHO. For example, #2 is supported by the fact that the space elves ('Aeldari'/Eldar) ruled the galaxy at the time and seemed unconcerned by humanity's antics, which wouldn't make sense in light of an actual ASI threat proper.


All cards on the table: I don't dive too deep into the black library stuff (who the fuck has time for 15 separate 890 page novels about the horus heresy -- them shits was like 3 pages in 2nd edition Codex Imperialis) so most of my attachment to the hobby is through the wargame codices, the video games and visual media. That said, I may have fallen asleep a night or 20 to Leutin's lovely voice and obsession with the lore. to respond to your comments:

> 1. The Votann are remnants of humanity from the time when our Terran super-AIs ('Men of Gold') had built advanced ship-based AIs ('Men of Stone') to enable long-sleep-style interstellar colonization, and the enigmatic "Votann Cores" that guide them(/are them) are strongly hinted to be those same AIs, just degraded over ~19,000 years. They were sidelined later on, after humans discovered FTL through an alternate dimension, 'the immaterium'.

For me, I really love the fact that they introduced a xenos faction descendant of man.

> 2. The story is very obviously based on Dune, and like everything else in 40k is turned up to 11 and stripped of nuance for effect. Some sentient robots ('Men of Iron') "revolted" after ~three millenia of brutal, Star Wars-style slavery, but the overarching "Age of Strife" was about human wars in an non-unified galaxy, with the robots being a primary weapon; the actual revolt/jihad was a symptom, just like it was in Dune.

It's important to highlight the age of strife was brought on in part by the birth of Slaanesh and the resulting warp storms breaking down system to system connections. It weren't just our dabblings in AI.

> 3. The 'Adeptus Mechanicus' mentioned above are a parody of cargo cults (religions that worship technology they don't understand) mixed with a dystopian take on the themes of A Canticle for Lebowitz, and are very much depicted with derision. Whatever your thoughts are on AI, dear reader, please never say "abominable intelligence" like it's wisdom rather than the fruit of a dogmatic & ineffective cult!

I've never been exposed to A Canticle for Lebowitz; thank you so much for the comment.


Spoken like a supreme heretic.

Don't forget that the Imperium runs on hypocrisy. Large percentages of the Adeptus Mechanicus is breaking their own rules, including working with abominable intelligences. In fact, what they are dealing with in their main factory world in Mars is a supposedly secret abominable intelligence. And it is, in fact, a shard of an alien god that turned other races into synthetic robots. Banned in public, the center of their cult in reality, even if many probably don't understand what in the world they are doing.

So yes, anything that is supposed policy in the Imperium is supposed to be taken with buckets of salt.


"How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be? Will I see my children? I don't know"

-Musk speculating to Tucker Carlson about what might happen if Trump failed to take the election in 2024.


I mean at this point, his best bet to not go to prison is to push as hard as possi le for the Republicans to win again.

I find the anarchist traffic of developing world cities to be more aligned with natural game theory principles than proscriptive protocols. For a computer it may be simpler.

Self driving is all tactics and no strategy. Waymo would freeze solid when confronted with several hundred motor-scooters and dozens of tuk-tuks.

Waymo freezes up when car in front of it decides to turn and show blinker last minute and line next to it is empty.

Which is weird because humans would take a few seconds to check the line and switch it, while Waymo already knows its empty and not taking an advantage of it.


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