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Thanks, this is the much more interesting discussion to be had.

Professions including software development moving towards not needing a full keyboard to interface with a computer.


The quest for a good voice command tool for developers (and others) has been on for many years. Dragon and Talon are 2 that immediately come to mind, mainly for the "others".

False advertising is illegal. Not fair to blame the victim; maybe they’re fine with ads just not illegal ones.

I interpreted as Apple doesn’t have the incentive to spy on you as other companies do, since Apple isn’t an ads company, compared with Google and Meta.

But yes I agree with you also that this isn’t solely on Apple opening the door.


Apple is not even in the same ZIP Code as Meta or Google. When you buy a product from Apple, they get all of the information upfront from you to complete a transaction no different than any retail store. There is no cost of acquisition.

There is no need to endlessly spy and the same pretty much applies to Amazon, Google and Meta may have a file on you, but in order to have that file, they need to spy. in short there is a big cost of acquisition for them to open up that dossier on you.

Apple or Amazon, in order for you to buy something from you, you have to exchange information in order to complete the transaction, which is no different than any other retailer that you would ever do business with, that isn’t Google, and that isn’t Meta. not at their core. And don’t bring up the Me-Too hardware products that both companies try to sell from time to time. Those are just small side work in the big picture for them.


Amazon spies a lot actually and they sell ads too.

They are not like Apple at all.


> I interpreted as Apple doesn’t have the incentive to spy on you as other companies do

Just read the TOS.


Yeah but the reason apple is doing it is because they have no more ideas for new features. These always on listening features are the best ideas they have.

Art is subjective. It sounds like AI music did evoke an emotional response from OP, which IMO is also just as important of what we define as the purpose of art: evoking emotion and awe from consuming art. A connection is being made from the creator to the consumer. I view AI as merely another tool to that means.

Human expression with art can go both ways from producing and experiencing.


Words are important and Andy’s choice of language and delivery rightfully calls into question of his leadership capabilities.

It’s a stark contrast to the posts we’ve been seeing on Patrick Stewart’s portrayal of Picard as to what it means to be a good leader.


There’s some Dunning-Kruger effect going on. Many are looking to more knowledgeable commentators in hackernews for a digestible eli5 takeaway, myself included as the original article flew over my head.

Unfortunately it’s hard to distinguish who to trust in threads as many commentators sound overly confident and knowledgeable. They think they understand the article and its nuances, but they actually don’t and end up perpetuating false info.


I strongly recommend avoiding HN for intelligent takes on AI internals. This place is full of people who think they can understand these models by vague analogies to the brain and their own pet (and almost-always underdeveloped and philosophically ignorant) theory of mind, and also that you can have a meaningful understanding of these models without at least knowing some very basic linear algebra.

I would recommend going on Twitter (or a Nitter clone) and looking at e.g. Neel Nanda, Nick Camarata, roon, Jon Stokes, or other researchers that are directly involved in this stuff. HN when AI is involved is full of the most incompetent and embarrassing armchair speculators saying things so incoherent they aren't even wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong.


It’s inciteful language that garners clicks. Immediately raises alarms for me that the article is going to be heavily biased. Why not relate it to something more benign like powering “y” amount of NYCs or something.

Playing a musical instrument. “Art is how we decorate space, music is how we decorate time.”

It’s a hobby that simultaneously brings immense gratifying pleasure to oneself, while being able to share it with others to enjoy.

Incredibly fulfilling to get real time feedback of people smiling, swaying their bodies and nodding their head when playing random public pianos that I find, which is also a hobby of mine - seeking out public pianos and sharing music and sometimes even doing free repairs and tunings on them since a lot are in bad shape.


CGW-50 showing the planetary orbits and Hailey’s comet is really cool.

Out of curiosity went to check if I could buy it but they unfortunately discontinued and now secondary markets list it in the thousands.


There’s a constant annoying pop up to download the mobile app if you access their site from mobile (I use iOS). Completely breaks Firefox that I need to force quit; completely user hostile and against the open web. I refuse to use their app and it let a really sour taste in my mouth.

I’m only one user, but that essentially quit my heavy usage of Reddit all together after using them since 2009ish. Feels like they follow Pinterests model where everything requires a login or app, making search results useless if I refuse to sign in or download something.


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