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Would a daily peak above 37C counts for the parents point? It has to be longer term temperature I imagine.

This doesnt make sense… ?

Clearly all significant names involved with Wikipedia, including admins, have some kind of ulterior motives, to some degree above literally zero.

Unless you believe in literally perfect altruism 100% of the time.

The degree can vary from one to another, but that seems like a much higher bar to confidently pin down.


It clearly cannot be consensus based?

As several users mentioned, “The Unblockables” are notorious, as only one admin willing to unblock them is sufficienf. Even against the wishes of another admin and many users.


Did you not finish reading the post?

Average detail level, volume, and so on, are obviously factors too…?


Let's take it at face value that you objectively measured productivity somehow, measured credibility, post detail and even volume. Why do you even feel there is or should be a casual relationship in either direction between hacker news participation and productivity?

Because I doubt there is literally perfect insulation around HN/YC?

Like I said in the post?


Even if we look at specific examples, say randomly selected comment chains about popular XYZ topic.

Then comparing June of 2026 to June of 2023, it does not yield any noticeable gains. It’s at best flat or even a bit of a downward trend in credibility, level of detail, and so on.


Well the bigger issue is that none of the major parties in the UK have any kind of sensible list of priorities, that they can actually whip the MPs to stick to.

So governance is, at best, semi random…


Why shouldn’t software be treated with the same rigor at Volkswagen scale?

Pretty much all software products typically talked about on HN are laughable at that scale, they have crashes or weird bugs way more often than the six sigma norm of 99.9999% reliability.

For example, I don’t think it’s even possible nowadays to buy a new iPad and use it with default apps and settings for any significant duration continuously. It’s well under 1 million minutes of uptime before failure and a hard restart is needed.

So anything more complex than the simplest possible use case of an iPad is even more of a joke under hardware norms.


> Why shouldn’t software be treated with the same rigor at Volkswagen scale?

No one said that it shouldn't.

What I wrote is, that the approach of minimizing any SURFACE of risk in software creates the (subjectively good and solid) software of previous car-generations (in Volkswagen terms: MIB2 ~ a bit downhill already in MIB3): A solid, predictable and closed product fulfilling its core use-case.

But it DOESN'T create a user experience with those "fun" niche features, competitive remote-access Smartphone features, exposed API's, sudden new features during lifecycle, funny "ludicrous modes" etc.

And today's customers are demanding those features, it's now a hygiene factor for a premium experience on Smartphones as well as on cars.

A Tesla is not considered a "Premium" car because of its premium hardware or manufacturing quality. They disrupted the car-industry by being the first to apply a software-dev mindset to it, and the consumer perceives this as premium.


It's considered premium until you see the amount of recalls they do for important things like brakes braking and wheels staying attached to the car.

https://www.go-parts.com/garage/brake-pedal-tesla-cybertruck...

https://www.tparts.com/blogs/tesla-latest-news/tesla-issues-...

https://tesorb.com/cybertruck-rwd-recall-173-wheel-stud/


Apparently I need to clarify, as it's not obvious from my previous comments: _I_ don't consider Tesla premium at all, it is NOT a premium hardware company.

It's bad quality hardware hiding behind an cleaner engine and some software features.

It is EXACTLY the product of a hardware company which keeps treating hardware-production like it's software, as described above.


I heard excel guys say peak Excel was 2010.

Where there any genuinely useful features Outlook 2016 had over 2010?


Mostly memory management and 64-bit support finally being on-par with the 32-bit versions, but it's hard to argue the nuance overall.

The switch to hardware-accelerated rendering was poor. It's still causing issues today. Is it the graphic drivers' fault or their poor implementation? Who knows, but they also disabled the switch that allowed to turn it off, which is just classic Microsoft being annoying.

I wouldn't trust an "Excel guy" who said that, they aren't staying current/using new functionality.

Just off the top of my head:

IFNA, FORMULATEXT, DAYS, CONCAT, IFS, SWITCH, XLOOKUP/XMATCH, FILTER, UNIQUE, LET, TEXTBEFORE/TEXTAFTER, LAMBDA, et al.

But my favorite improvement is the "don't intentionally corrupt CSVs" options found in Settings -> Data -> Automatic Data Conversion (hint: Disable everything). Only took them 30-years to add that. Absolutely absurd these are enabled by default still.

Excel is one of Microsoft's best pieces of software and one of the very few they haven't turned into slop YET. Still don't understand why we don't have local-only Python to replace VBA at all license levels (i.e. non-cloud).


> Automatic Data Conversion (hint: Disable everything).

It still butchers long strings of digits if they are more than around 12 and less than around 15 digits long, its very annoying still.

Also textjoin and textsplit and the whole spill functionality.


I gave up on Excel for working with CSV years ago, but it sounds like I need to go back and try again. It used to drive me crazy how the import function was all "just fuck my shit up, Fam" every time.

Reminds me of the old joke about it: How is Microsoft Excel like an Incel? Both think everything is a date.


Not to mention native array formula handling.

XLOOKUP was introduced in 2019. I thought it was a great update

I'm an Excel guy and 2013 was an improvement over 2010 with very little to dislike.

You can take LET and LAMBDA from my cold dead hands

Those guys aren’t using Excel very much.

That is a good point. There’s no point arguing about how well the map correlates with the territory… if the map isn’t even in your hands yet.

What exactly is the argument for why their credibility should be taken as higher than the Tonga government claims?

Because there clearly could be ulterior motives involved on both sides.


From "might makes right" is Tongan because the Tongans were able to take it. From the perspective of homesteading, owning the fruit of your labor, etc I think you can argue since the Minervans both made the island, homesteaded, "discovered" (didn't exist until they made it), and claimed and were actively using it they have senior property rights (you can argue any of these individually but in summation it's quite weighty over any Tongan claim).

Of course might make right ultimately trumps everything else, it is just interesting that you so often hear that if libertarians want to escape society they shouldn't use force to make others follow their ideals, they should just go off into the woods or their own island or some such. But then when they actually make their own island, actually "society" decides they will just take their shit under the auspices of a military force that will kill them if they defend themselves (although the only homicide on Minerva was one Tongan killing another Tongan).

Right now Fiji and Tonga are fighting over it and in reality neither one actually gives much a shit about the actual property rights to hold the island and as a fiji/tongan dispute suddenly the Navy is not so interested anymore. The Tongan claims were initiated after a conference with Polynesian countries and Australia where the goal was not to preserve some Tongan fishing but to smack down the libertarians using it -- Polynesian claims were never an actual reason for the invasion, only kicking the libertarians off the island.


If they have literally no credibility worth speaking of… maybe it just doesn’t matter that much?

If you can't defend your land, somebody else will eventually take it. That's kind of why governments were invented in the first place.

(1) They were minarchist not anarchist, so not sure what your point is about government; they weren't looking to re-invent government defense privately or some such, rather their failure mode was ultimately political alienation manifested in violence (rest of world in that area hated/afraid of the possible prospect of successful libertarians upsetting the status quo and thus called to action to squash them at once). They likely could have survived with the same weak military under a different more palatable political model that makes Australia and Tongans happy face, because in reality Aus+polynesia had no interest in actually taking the land for themselves only expelling libertarians.

(2) Yes they were militarily weaker than the entire coalition of australia + polynesia under the flag of Tonga for invasion, this applies to pretty much all sovereign islands in the Pacific, there is no particularly special lesson to be learned here about polynesian military might -- even the Tongans were ultimately proxying Australia and would find the same fate if Australia disliked their political model.

(3) The takeaway Michael Oliver did actually learn (dude was a legit genius) from this is if you find any success "democratic" countries that preach tenants of peaceful property rights actually are just frauds running under the cold veneer of "whoever can kill and steal, gets the land."

(4) The next "adventure" by the same foundation used lethal force to defend themselves (Vemerena), and IIRC it did survive a bit longer. (There were three major attempts by Phoenix foundation, one was making a new island island, another a civil war-ish breakoff nation in Vanuatu, and another an attempt at civil democratic secession in the Bahamas-- the one defended by armed actors was arguably got the closest to success)

(5) Thus ultimately we can see the property rights model of modern democratic countries are no better than the founding libertarian models, it's just violently taking whatever you can get away with whenever you can get away with it wrapped up under more flowery language than what the libertarians used and with generally higher tax rates. We see this continually whether it is libertarians or communists, the bigger democratic countries will just fuck their shit up as a mode of political alienation whether they have a "government" or not.

(6) Conclusion is duration of survival of small territories of Minerva, communists, et al has little to do with their philosophical model of property rights. Has more to do with forming allies (Cuba with Russia for instance) and/or military might. None of which is philosophically incompatible with the Minervan model of minarchism.


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