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Tom Clancy was a big Mac fan, too.

Spectre GCR, by Dave and Sandy Small, is the final version of a Mac emulator for Atari ST previously known as Magic Sac and Spectre 128. I link to its manual because the document is, as the title page says, "FUN TO READ", and

>WARNING: This manual is easy to read an actually entertaining. This may ruin your enjoyment of other computer manuals.

It also has drawings from the Smalls' small children.


Isn't it normal and typical for musical acts to make more money from concert tours and merchandise sales than the music itself?

As is noted in the article, selling band shirts was not yet common practice when the Ramones starting doing it. Until Napster came along tours were marketing for albums, which were the primary revenue source.

I seem to recall reading that Gary Holt or Jack Gibson, either from Exodus, claim that despite being known worldwide as a thrash metal act they have to support themselves selling t-shirts, since their earnings from touring, albums or streamings won't cover their expenses

It was likely all of them, but the more famous quote recently from Gary is, “People think, ‘Oh, you're a rich rock star.’ No. I sell shirts outta my fucking closet.”

It's not that they made more money from merchandise, it's that they sold more t-shirts than albums. Implying that more people were interested in the "image" of punk rock than the music.

I guess that's the definition of 'iconic' - many a time I have approached someone wearing a Ramones or Motörhead T-shirt trying to chat a bit, only to be told 'Sorry, don't know the music at all, but the shirt is cool...'

Gabba gabba hey!


I can wear out a t-shirt much faster than an album, tape or CD, and I am not very caring of the conditions of albums.

I've also never seen anyone slam dance carrying a Ramones album, but I have seen them slam dance wearing a Ramones t-shirt that got tore up.


Although the article is unsure whether they sold more t-shirts than tickets, implying that people were interested in the music in a live capacity.

Which is a reasonable implication given that punk grew up around the DIY culture. A commercially produced recording doesn't exactly align with the interests of that type of community, even where that community enjoys the music itself.


The last time I went to an Exodus show, there were more people in attendance than sales of their most recent album.

Not in the past. When that change flipped from music sales to merchandise and tours, I couldn’t be sure but I’d reckon the early 2000s.

> Not so sure about this.

WordPerfect and Spectrum Holobyte explicitly cited software piracy as being worse on ST than on other platforms.


I think WP was just too late to the party honestly by the time they got around to actually seriously considering/doing what they said they would do, there were already established good word processors on the ST.

WP did eventually come to the ST and if I recall it was panned as a horrible port. I think there was talk of MS Word, too, and also a flop?

Mine came with 1st Word Plus, and it was excellent for the time.


> I think there was talk of MS Word, too, and also a flop?

There was a port of MS Word, and it worked well. For some strange historical reasons I can't recall now, though, it was called and marketed as MS Write instead.

Write was the extremely basic free wordprocessor in Windows 3.x -- and so the name did the ST version a grave disservice.

https://www.atarimagazines.com/startv3n1/microsoftwrite.html


>I think WP was just too late to the party honestly

Nothing with the power of WordPerfect.

Hundreds of word processors were developed for DOS. Hundreds. Word, WordStar, and MultiMate, all developed by very large companies, were only the best known.

WordPerfect beat them all.

Feel free to claim that the ST or Amiga word processor developed by two guys somewhere in the UK has more features c. 1989.


My favourite was Protext (Arnor) which was an old school mostly keyboard-centric word processor, rather than anything like DTP. Crazy powerful. It was originally Amstrad CPC, but later released on Atari ST, MS-DOS, Amiga, Archimedes and even more bespoke hardware like the Amstrad NC.

Did you know Protext is freeware now?

https://www.aptanet.org/protext/

I do a bootable DOS system on a live USB key and it includes Protext. :-)

https://github.com/lproven/usb-dos


> WordPerfect beat them all.

It was certainly popular, but I hated all the function keys (I still hate function keys) and my favourite was WordStar (not for Windows), for both word processing and as a programming editor, up until I switched to Word and Windows vi clones.

I remember the CP/M version of WordStar gave you a patching tool that allowed you to insert screen and keyboard handlers in machine code, for your specific hardware (to speed things up), into the WS code. I can still remember how clever I thought I was when I got this to work!


It's not that, it's that when WP did arrive on the ST it was a zero effort bad offering, two years late.

https://www.atarimagazines.com/startv2n6/wordperfect.php


Yes, the first ST version in 1987 had bugs. But WordPerfect fixed bugs for the next four years, and by 1988 was in good shape <https://www.atarimagazines.com/v7n1/wordperfectst.html> despite, as I said, the huge problem with piracy (See, for example, the author of the 1987 review you cited writing at <https://archive.org/details/ST_Log_Magazine_Issue_21/page/n8...>. If the ST version were so useless why would he have bothered to appeal to the community?). As I said, the odds of a random no-name ST or Amiga word processor coming anywhere close to WordPerfect's power c. 1989 are zero.

Piracy always exists. The question is to what degree. On the PC the bulk of the market is business customers, where piracy is relatively minor compared to legitimate sales, and corporate customers have a lot of power when they complain to vendors; this is why copy protection more or less disappeared for PC business software after the mid-1980s, with Lotus being probably the last to comply by getting rid of the universally detested key-disk system. On the ST and Amiga the business market more or less didn't exist (no, musicians on ST, or small-town TV stations using Video Toaster for Amiga, aren't meaningful in number or percentage by comparison), so potential sales are limited by a) the far smaller size of the overall market and b) the far smaller percentage of customers within said smaller market paying for the product.


Hmm, just looked up WP on Wikipedia - I didn't realise it was ported around so much. Particularly to the ST, who's keyboard was frankly Not Very Good, which is not what you want for word processing. But it did have a nice mono display, for the time.

> Particularly to the ST, who's keyboard was frankly Not Very Good

The same rubber domes and plastic plungers were Totally Unacceptable on the Sinclair ZX Spectrum+ and QL, Not Very Good on the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, and just what everyone uses on PCs today.


> who's keyboard was frankly Not Very Good

I dunno man. I came from a ZX Spectrum (via several other machines, it's true) and compared to that, the ST keyboard was great.


Edited by me from "Gold Eyes Worst Month Against Oil Since 1973; Mining Stocks Slump Most Since 2008"

>- an in-app button to debit my bank for the balance without me having to go to my bank's app to send a bill pay.

?!? Are you saying that Amex is the first Canadian credit card you've used to let you make the payment from on its app, with Amex pulling the funds from your bank? Other Canadian credit cards all require you to "push" payments to them via your bank's billpay? This astounds me.


My RBC cards let me pay from an RBC account within the RBC app, but for example I also have the Costco MasterCard issued by CIBC and there's no feature in the CIBC app to pull a payment from another bank for it.

Same with everything else: power, water, taxes, mortgage, all of these I have to look up the number and arrange a bill-pay push, I think only my mobile and internet provider are able to just debit my bank acct directly.


Thanks for linking to it. Folks, before you rush to offer your genius ACKSHUALLY ideas about how Google Voice will let you do "the same thing as Tin Can for free", please, please, think about what GV does and, more importantly, does not (Hint: Whitelist).

Just put a Google Voice line behind a FreePBX or Asterisk and you get all the call filtering you want. You can even make your internal numbers or whatever.

I first found the Tin Can cool, but now seeing their privacy policy, it's definitely nothing for me. I'd just use a normal VoIP cordless phone (e.g. Gigaset makes various models), or even a normal corded phone with a VoIP ATA. Some of them might even have integrated whitelisting, but I didn't check.


Can you even attach a POTS or POTS like device to Google Voice anymore? I was looking into this last month and it seemed like they had removed that feature and the devices people were using (they had stopped selling them some years ago) to do it stopped working recently.

I have an Ooma phone now and I just plugged my existing phones into the Ooma box which then works the same as an old landline for the most part.


Accountants, and individuals within all kinds of businesses (what we today would call shadow IT). Imagine something like this:

* Person who deals with numbers all day goes to a computer store to browse.

* He sees VisiCalc, and immediately understands what it can do. It *blows his mind*.

* He wants to buy it right away. Pays for $2000 Apple II computer with disk drives to run $100 software; price is no object.

* Shows friends and colleagues.

* They rush to computer store. Repeat.


If you haven't donated every cent you have to poor foreigners, you have contributed to their deaths. How can you live with yourself?

There is a precedent for "doctor", based on how people pronounced the company's "DR Logo"/"Dr. Logo"


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