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This is an understanding based on a very incorrect usage of dish washers. Dishes are supposed to go into the dishwasher dirty, without rinsing. Any food garbage is supposed to be scraped off roughly (ie scrape off actual pieces of food but dont worry if a few rice stick to the plate).

Dishwashers save on water and energy. They are convenient for bulk washing of dishes. Dishwashers need to be used correctly to be optimal, just like any other technology.

For a family of 4 with 2 preschoolers it is absolutely necessary to have a dishwasher.

Anyone who is sceptical of dishwashers and their merits needs to watch the Technology Connections video on dishwashers.


> Any food garbage is supposed to be scraped off roughly (ie scrape off actual pieces of food but dont worry if a few rice stick to the plate).

This is the part that takes 80% of the time, because you have to bring every dish to the garbage can that might not necessarily be next to a dishwasher.

> Dishwashers save on water and energy.

Both of which are negligible compared to the amount of water used for, say, heating and showering (not to mention the water that goes into agriculture for food you eat).

> Anyone who is sceptical of dishwashers and their merits needs to watch the Technology Connections video on dishwashers.

Or they just use very few dishes and figured out a method that works for them.


> For a family of 4 with 2 preschoolers it is absolutely necessary to have a dishwasher.

We did fine with two preschoolers and no dishwasher.

I maintain that a 'touch once' is always faster than 'pick up, drop, pick up again, drop'.

Furthermore: the second I see friends puzzle about 'where do I put this in this almost full dishwasher', I know they would have been faster doing it by hand.

> Dishwashers save on water and energy.

No, this is not true. I've measured and it depends. The dutch advisory site 'milieucentraal.nl' comes to the same conclusion: it depends.


I suspect it likely could be if you're spraying everything to rinse it; use a few basins with a good sized rinse with sanitizer or bleach (measured -- ideally use a ph strip to avoid going too far here) and you can use quite a small amount of water for a good number of dishes. Of course, bothering to fill the basins for only a few dishes could be a waste, but when you're doing a whole family worth, you shouldn't need to run the sink while you're cleaning.


Incorrect usage? Put dishes in with food on them: food gets heat baked onto the dish. So, a brief rinse fixes that, while a 5 second wipe with a soapy sponge eliminates the need for the dishwasher entirely.


I run the dishwasher once every 2 days and I almost never have any issues with food sticking. I don't rinse anything, it all goes into the dishwasher and comes out clean 95% of the time.


Do you cook? I've never seen a dishwsher that can clean a pot, or pan or baking dish that was used to cook food. I feel like every responding does not cook. It would require significantly high pressure water jets, with computer vision scanning and robotic hands rotating an item with cooked in food to be cleaned. I think none of you are cooking. You're just rinsing fast food dirtied plates.


Yes, I do. Pans are usually not a problem, pots are not a problem unless there's something really stuck/burnt to the bottom but even then, washing it twice usually does the trick. Baking trays are the only thing that I clean by hand because they're too big to fit in the dishwasher.


Well then, what brand and model washer? I literally just had a 2 year old washer Lg removed and replaced with ordinary shelves & drawers because the thing was absolutely worthless, not cleaning worth a damn.


It's made by a company called Candy (EU) but unfortunately I don't have the exact model number. I can't say how it's going to hold up over time since I've only had it for around 2 years since I moved in.

The only advice I have in this regard is making sure you're loading it correctly and not overloading it to the point where water spray can't reach your dishes.

You've probably come across these videos already but just in case you haven't, Technology Connections released 2 videos on the topic of dishwashers that could be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU


Thank you!


Drugs have been illegal for DECADES, not milllenia.



In the US, opium and cocaine were not regulated federally until the Harrison Act of 1914. So "a century".

The first opium war started in 1839, so even in China, "not quite two centuries" is much more accurate than "centuries at least".

A good argument could be made that these substances weren't really banned in the US until the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. The word "decades" is pretty reasonable.


I don’t think I claimed otherwise. I’m assuming you’re talking about this:

> If you want to buy drugs, do it the old fashioned way - you know, the way society did it for thousands of years prior to bitcoin.

I’m more making the case that you should just go buy drugs with cash instead of pretending that bitcoin is the only way to do it.


MFA is not going away, but neither is it going to become what you are describing.

MFA using an SMS is not secure.

If people reliably made good passwords and never reused them, we probably wouldn't need MFA as much.

Unfortunately, we live in a society. Bitwarden will remember your TOTP codes for you across any device you login from. It will even copy the code to you paste buffer during a login.

I enable MFA everywhere i can, even for stupid stuff. Its just not an inconvenience using bitwarden.


and if developers would always mitigate brute force attacks/limit the amount of attempts you can do.not limit the amount of accounts you can try to access from a single source

and it’s all developers will give you the tools to check every login session, including ip addresses used, and number of failed attempts

and off everybody uses full disk encryption and other measures so that your passwords cannot be stolen, such as only use signed applications and proper sandboxes


> MFA using an SMS is not secure.

Why not? Is it that easy to intercept a SMS or is that just due to poor handling with some providers?



SIM-swap is a real thing, but it has an unreasonably large amount of mindshare in discussions about login security in non-security communities. Phishing is a gazillion times more common because it actually scales. Both SMS and TOTP are equally weak to phishing, yet people frequently shit on services for using SMS and not TOTP.

SMS has weaknesses. Especially if you are a particularly high-interest target. But the benefit of "everybody already has a phone" is immense and the true recovery mechanism for "oh shit I dropped my phone in the toilet" is valuable. Something like a yubikey is the complete solution to login problems that don't involve malware or some security vuln, but they are an extra thing that people need to buy so the pathway to "everybody uses a yubikey" is a mess.

Both Android and iPhone are now offering similar functionality though phones, which mitigates the "you need to buy a new thing" problem, though it is harder to set up an effective backup here.


But this comes down to bad security practices at the telco, doesn't it?

I don't know about other countries, but you can't even buy/activate SIM cards in Germany without "proper" identification through VideoIdent or another system where your passport is checked against. At least that's what I remember.

I'm not sure any type of "I've lost my SIM, please use this one" would work on German carriers without proper ID.

Moving numbers als requires some kind of paperwork, it's not that easy after all.

So... Is this a telco problem or a SMS problem?


Sort of yeah, it wouldn't be possible with my carrier for example as they would just tell you "login online and swap it" because things like switching sim etc. is just something you do there and not something you call them about. And to login to the website you must use the national 2factor authentication.

So essentially they would have to breach the national 2factor authentication system first here.

And there is absolutely no way that you could "social engineer" the guy on the other end of the phone who works for the telecompany as there is no way you shouldn't be able to use their online tools.


No the parent, but I’m assuming they’re referring to the East of SIM spoofing to convince providers you’re another phone number that’s not your own.


More commonly referred to as Sim Swapping.

If you ever notice you lose connection to your carrier: begin to worry.


Yep it is that easy, often all it takes is a suitably phrased "please give me control of this phone number" in a telco's support live chat


See the other comment, it looks like this problem boils down to very bad security practices at the telcos but not a general problem with SMS itself.


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