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This is maddening. I've been pulling 40/50/60 hour weeks for 21 years in the tech industry at various different companies. I haven't broken 200k base salary, though benefits are pretty great where I'm at. To think I could've memorized some leet code problems, got a job at FAANG and been making 300k base for the past 5+ years while working 10-hour weeks is - yep, maddening.

The best time to be aware of the socioeconomic class differences in tech was 20 years ago, the second best time is now. Also some folks just find it difficult to study leetcode problems purely to "prove" themselves, for various psychological reasons. If you can, it helps a lot, as does graduating from top universities with a direct pipeline into these companies. Social signalling is much more valuable nowadays than capabilities.

Sometimes the grass really is greener - company culture can be actually incredibly toxic and compensation very below market, but when surrounded by people who normalize it most folks will project that experience out to the rest.


Well it would hardly be blood money to destroy free society and replace it with a surveillance hellscape if you could make just as much elsewhere.

Same here, but 30+. Wrong spawn point mate.

Did you go to Stanford or a similar pedigreed college? Unless you did that or broke that 200k barrier already by getting high up in a lower tier company, just memorizing some leet code problems wasn’t going to get you into a FAANG.

They care a lot about prestige. Or at least did before AI. Don’t know what their current hiring practices look like.


I know plenty of people at Meta at a variety of levels without that kind of pedigree

The engineers or the janitors?

Don't feel bad. It is not about skill in those job, it is about "cultural fit". You must project a personality that will fit in with FAANG culture or you won't get the job unless you're famous globally due to having starting some huge open source project.

Comfort yourself with the fact that you did not have to sell your soul, sit through endless woke sexual harassment videos where you are taught that the white man is the source of all evil, and in endless management meetings.


There are plenty of people who did all of this at FAANG and never have even heard of leetcode, let alone solved a problem.

Why are you upset its this way elsewhere? Those kind of working conditions are much more favorable don't you think? Why would you want to work 60 hour weeks?

Just study and get another job.


I think we passed the inflection point of the normal 150-500 Lear code problems, understand DSA and systems design really well. Personally, I think companies are much more selective now and have all reduced the size of their engineering orgs.

There’s always been a percentage of luck getting offers from big tech companies, but it’s way more luck than than merit it has ever been.


The majority of those who get in are able to socially signal, through affiliations with other high paying companies or paper from prestigious (read: socially exclusive) institutions.

I'm really enjoying dusting off old projects that I lost interest in and handing them over to Claude to modernize their code and resurrect the ideas. But I'm also starting to miss the grind and feeling of accomplishment when you build stuff yourself, or finally sort out that nagging bug. I think there is a balance to be found, for me anyway, and I'm not sure I've found it yet.


I've always struggled with this thinking. Yes, you have finite hours in a day and if you spend an hour going to get food then you can't necessarily also be doing freelance work. But if you planned on working 8 hours to earn X dollars, you can still work 8 hours after spending an hour going to get food and still make X dollars. Sure, that hour has to come from somewhere so maybe it's lost leisure time or an hour of sleep. I guess it makes sense if you're trying to work every waking moment; and I can appreciate that some choose to and some have to.


> Sure, that hour has to come from somewhere so maybe it's lost leisure time or an hour of sleep.

Well, if you value an hour of your sleep or entertainment less than $15 dollars (if, for instance, you like to cook), then sure, spend it on cooking instead. Many of people would rather not, and their revealed preferences show it pretty clearly.


I've been WFH since Covid and, when it first happened, my office was in a finished attic that was not well conditioned. I like it warmer so I didn't mind, and the lack of comfort for others meant I enjoyed more solo time.

These days, I may as well not even have a door. I put auto-shutting hinges on it, but that failed as reminder/deterrent long ago.

We've got a 10x20 out back that was supposed to be my workshop, but it's filled with all the things most Americans put in their garages - because we don't have one. I'm seriously considering a deep purge and converting at least 1/2 of to an office; the distractions and context switching are disastrous.


My take: this was done to pull consumers back into the cycle of upgrading to every new release. iPhones already do so much more than most people need. With the RAM price hikes, even though there was an influx of sales (according to a store rep) initially, I think Apple was expected a significant decline; people just choosing to stick with their current device to avoid paying the premium.

Leasing not only allows Apple to keep "selling" people new devices, it will also mostly like accelerate the second-hand sales and resource recycling arms of the business. Consumers will be more willing to upgrade sooner and stay in perpetual payments vs having to buy out the device at lease end - and Apple gets back newer devices where the recycled tech is arguably more valuable.


59,400 - It said I'm a person of few words. It also recommended I read a dictionary. I feel some kind of way about that. :D

Fun!


I knew I shared a name with a former NBA Forward, but I did not know about some of the other well-known figures. Sadly (or thankfully?) I'm not listed anywhere, even in the hallucinations.


I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but I wonder how others see colors. Irrespective of color blindness, is what I know as red appear as blue to someone else? How would you even know or describe it? "Red, like a strawberry, tomato, or apple." And they say, "Yes, exactly." But what they're truly seeing is what YOU know as blue. They see something different than you do, but to them that color has always been called red - even though, if you were to see it as them, it's blue.


The scenario you're describing seems like more of a language thing than a perception thing. We generally learn names of colors by references to common objects. I would argue that if people agree something is "Red, like a strawberry, tomato, or apple" then it doesn't really matter what you're seeing, that color is red.


Our experience doesn’t become unimportant just because it’s lost in translation. It’s a paradox that we can’t know what X feels like to another person because communication is very lossy, but that does not warrant dismissal. We are not p-zombies, we do feel things.

In fact, the argument that “what we experience doesn’t matter” looks incongruous insofar as it is made by an entity experiencing something and in fact because said entity is experiencing something—the entity has no access to anything but experience.


I'm not saying our experience is unimportant. I'm talking about how we communicate what colors are. I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems like the way we communicate a shared understanding of what colors are is based on observing things that are the same color. I just don't think we have a way of communicating our subjective view of what a color looks like without reference to some other color.


The term you're looking for is "qualia" - one's own experience of sensory inputs, which cannot be compared with others' except through allegory.


I vividly remember my friend and I first thinking of this question during a sleepover at around 13 years old, as we stayed awake late talking about what seemed at the time like the deep philosophies of life. This isn't to say that it's a bad question, but more that it's funny how everyone seems to come up with this question independently at some point. I've read many others with the same question since.


You certainly stumbled onto it much sooner in life than I did. It wasn't until I had children in my late 30s that this dawned on me - and has perplexed me ever since. Funny indeed.


Yup, always wondered this as well! The word for each internal subjective experience is called qualia.

Pretty much impossible to prove the original question until we're able to see through someone else's eyes and brain (if we ever get there, that's probably the least of our philosophical worries :D)


Have I got a Wikipedia article for you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia


Amazing. I'm so glad to have a name for this.


We know for a fact that bees or dogs perceive color very differently. But in between humans, the perception of physical sensations can still be resolved when we consider near-identical genetics.

But it's way more fun when you apply it to abstract concepts like love, happiness, or fear!

"Wittgenstein's beetle" is the mind-blowing concept for today if you want to dive deeper into this rabbit hole :)


If you want to explore it further, look up the philosophical aspects of the hard problem of consciousness. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness


It would be interesting to see if llms all share the same internal representation of red. It might hint towards how it works for humans.

Note: I'm not sure this is formulated well, or even if I am able to articulate this correctly.


I have thought about this many times. The same could be asked about other senses as well like taste, do we both interpret the taste of a banana the same?

At the end of the day what exactly are our senses? Are they simply our brains interpretation of the energies that surround us?

Apparently about 4.4% of the population experiences chromesthesia in which they have a blending of their senses and will see colors or shapes when hearing music.

My opinion is that it is impossible to know and if I had to bet I would bet that we all experience things slightly different. That is only based on the thought that from an evolutionary standpoint we already have many diverse traits from one another. It's another one of those philosophical thoughts we most likely could never answer.


Oh wow, I hadn't thought of taste, but you're exactly right. Fascinating subject.


Chemistry is the same for each of us, as is physics, so I'd be inclined to think that red is the same red for everyone.


You'd be inclined to, but no, of the little we do understand about human perception, we do understand enough by now to say that different people can genuinely experience and perceive the world differently, sometimes wildly so.

Look into aphantasia (lack of mental imagery), anendophasia (lack of inner voice).


This discussion has been particularly insightful. I'm 47 and have been drinking 2 to 3 Mtn Dew Kickstarts a day for probably 10 years. I don't feel high, or jittery, or like I'm bouncing off walls. I have no trouble falling asleep, even drinking caffeine right up until bed time. But, I also have trouble focusing, am working with a psychologist on a possible ADHD (primarily inattentive) diagnosis, never dream, and am very forgetful.

Based on everything I'm reading below, and a "discussion" with Gemini, it's highly probable all of this is related. I know AI isn't a doctor, and confirmation bias and all of that, but even if it's all nonsense - backing off on caffeine or quitting entirely can only help.

So I'm going to star to day, by trying to not have any after 2pm. My regular bedtime is around midnight, so that's 10 hours. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks HN!


"X is just old" is a tired criticism of most things in my experience. Bloated would've sufficed, even if it's subjective.


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