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> The ones who are most resistant to it are the ones for whom it has been "just a job", but the ones who love it are the ones who love solving problems.

Wow, what a simplistic, uncalled for view of the world. This is just so ignorantly and offensively incorrect.


I think that's why the comment hit home.

There is nothing wrong with practicing craft, but when craft starts to matter more than vision/ambition (as it has for many engineers, even very good ones) there is going to be resistance to any method that de-emphasizes craft and emphasizes vision.

Even things like Ruby on Rails and node.js (in their early days) irritated some software crafspeople for the same reason, the tools felt like the happy path was somehow a mediocre one that was willfully ignorant of craft.

Suddenly, agentic coding has seemed to remove much of the craft from software engineering, and those who have been showing up every day celebrating craft are feeling it like a gut punch.

This is illusory bc craft still matters -- rust is a superb example of how craft matters more than ever in an agentic world, fwiw.


No, this isn’t what you said. You said that those resistant only view this as a job and don’t love solving problems - this is a completely ridiculous opinion/propaganda.

The world isn’t so black and white. It’s possible to be excited about what AI can help accelerate and simultaneously be resistant to the idea that 100% of software engineering (from premise -> shipped and maintained) can and should be offloaded purely to AI. And more importantly, AI reminds me a lot of leverage - it amplifies the good, but possibly more importantly it really amplifies the bad.

Software engineering is much more than just writing code.


I really don't think anybody in these "debates", on either side, has a high horse to ride with respect to rhetoric and solemnity.

This in particular is a really silly hill to die on, because literally every debate about software development, from AI to language choice to tabs vs. spaces, eventually settles into a gravity well of asserting that all the good developers agree with your take.


> This in particular is a really silly hill to die on,

Stating that people can't love software development or solving problems because they are resistant to AI taking over their entire job is a silly hill to die on?

I really enjoy what I do, and have done, for the past 20 years. When I first wrote code I literally thought I discovered magic. In many ways, AI has re-triggered some of those feelings!

I also really care about building quality software for our customers.

And it infuriates me to no end when I see huge amounts of objectively incorrect code being written by AI, and the developer behind it stating they have no idea what it's doing, or when people say they can't solve a problem because they are out of AI tokens, etc.

But supposedly these are the people who care about solving problems? Not just that - they are the only people who care about solving problems.

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Yeah, it's offensive.


You can choose to take offense if you want, but since I've seen literally the same sentiment expressed about whether people choose Emacs or vi, I have a very hard time taking that offense seriously.


who can even afford to run emacs with RAM prices these days


> I have a very hard time taking that offense seriously.

Empathy can be a tough skill to learn, but I think it’s worth it!


Social Security is a really bad example though. It doesn’t support a living wage, and everybody depending on it would have been better off if they could have invested those taxes instead.


This is the “propaganda” sponsored by most leftists, though?

Except not equality - stepping stones. Socialism is supposed to lead to communism, per Marx. That’s not a right wing take, unless you consider Karl Marx a conservative.


Communists call leftists "reformists", that think you can reform capitalism into a stable state (like i do). If you rest there, you are not a communist but a socialist, so its not a stepping stone.


I think this is my main hesitation with picking up the Duo on the first release. I have no doubt the build quality is exceptional, but the chance that the apps I use are not well optimized for this new form factor is pretty high in the first year of its release.

I don't think they won't work, but I anticipate oddities to appear for a while, especially for older applications.


I’m not sure about this, we already support resizing on our app for a while now because of our iPad/mac catalyst version, so I fail to see how different it would be on the Duo.

I assume other apps will have have the same, since our team is super small compared to everyone else.


The small screen is so small they had to move controls to the right, I would expect glitches because of that, especially for custom controls.


Ok, I’ll test that, but I think we are using the safe areas correctly


Apps not rebuilt with the latest SDK will display in pillar-boxes mode, centred on the screen.


This is my feeling too. It looks great - I think I might pick one up. But I’m going to give apple a few years to iron out the bugs first. Version 3 of the duo will be a much better product than version 1.


Version 5 is when it'll be actually competitive.


Because Anthropic and OpenAI are the primary drivers of the AI space?


“We have built this thing that is so powerful that it will wipe out all jobs ever created. Therefore we are the only thing worth investing in.”


But this is marketing. This is just pre-IPO talk.

Anthropic’s goal is not anything to do with AI, it is purely to generate more profit than any other company.

Securing/lobbying to regulate their competitors through doom talk, or promising that they will bankrupt every other company because AI will “do it all, better than everyone else” is purely for investment purpose.

As long as their incentive is monetary, it’s not unreasonable to believe this is just marketing.


Normally, businesses spend a lot of money saying "no, our products are 100% safe" and get very upset with people who say they are not.

You are literally looking at someone who resigned because the company is acting unsafely, where other people from the same company are responding to this by saying "we agree, this is all very unsafe", in a community where all the various competitors have signed public statements saying "this is unsafe", where people who have Nobel prizes are saying "this is unsafe", where the philosophical centre of mass in the current research community circles around MIRI and LessWrong where the founders made the book "if anyone builds it, everyone dies" because they are so very tired of having to explain that they mean literally, where one of the major independent research organisations is "Model Evaluation and Threat Research", and where the major model makers have been sued for harm already caused by their systems and in one case have been ordered by the US government to prevent people accessing their model because they thought it was too dangerous.

A normal business would be shut down by almost any of these things independently, let alone all of them together. This remains true regardless of whether or not the leaders are psychopathic enough to think this is a good marketing campaign or not.

If this doesn't convince you there's a risk, what on earth would convincing you even look like?


I am absolutely appalled that this type of marketing is allowed. It is so disingenuous.


Am I the only one starting to get annoyed by Bun just due to all the surrounding drama? I was genuinely surprised this was an actual link about an update - my gut inclination opening that was Jarred probably decided to rewrite Bun to JavaScript to stay pure or something like that.


We all are, mostly.


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