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You can't find a group of people to share a lease with, but you want to live in a residence which excludes people by race or gender? Sounds like a you problem.


There are a significant amount of people who care about gender such that it makes sense for landlords to discriminate by shared unit. They should have a mix of male only and female only units. (and if they want mix units). In the US not enough people care about the religion of their roommate to be worthwhile trying to find a fair solution to those who care (if you do care you can ask at your church).

It is important to ensure that when you allow such discrimination it is by unit and that landlords not be allowed to discriminate overall


The problem currently isn't the landlords, but the tenants and subtenants. Maybe if landlords could offer more shared housing, this problem would go away. But tenants frequently look for people of the same gender or race to rent a shared housing.

The other (smaller) issue I think is house hackers (landlord occupied properties). The landlord doesn't own multiple units and is effectively "airbnb-ing" out rooms for short term leases.


Yeah, I don’t get it either. The typical roommate situation around here is between two or four in one unit. Maybe it was harder in the days before the internet, but I expect that even then the kinds of tight-knit religious communities that would be opposed to cohabiting outside the faith would have the internal social networking infrastructure to solve this problem.


How does social media solve the issue? I don't think it matters if the landlord or the tenant is advertising sexist/racist housing opportunities, its still sexist and racist, blocking certain groups from accessing housing.

Landlords can't advertise racist/sexist whole-unit housing. Primary tenants shouldn't be allowed to advertise racist/sexist housing either.


> How does social media solve the issue?

Huh? Who said anything about social media? Churches and other religious organizations are basically designed to promote and foster these kinds of in-group relationships.

> Landlords can't advertise racist/sexist whole-unit housing. Primary tenants shouldn't be allowed to advertise racist/sexist housing either.

It would be very strange to tell someone they can’t decide their own roommate because their selection would be “racist/sexist.” I’m trying to imagine how you would even go about enforcing that at the individual level. Is your plan to assign housing randomly with some centralized lottery system? Extract affadavits from prospective tenants?

Do you believe it’s sexist for a heterosexual woman to use a dating website to look for a husband and not a wife? I don’t see why your logic wouldn’t apply there.


You mentioned the internet. Way more people look for housing on social media than on church websites.

If non-profits and governments can operate SROs, hacker houses can operate co-ed inclusive housing, I don't see why people feel they .

Are we talking about dating or housing? Society agrees everyone deserves a place to live. Society (mostly) agrees that no one deserves romance.


Why are the cities that you happen to have lived in a relevant data set here?


Why aren't they? Because what appears to have been an obvious point to everyone else isn't you you:

My point is, across multiple states, and various cities, I've never run across an instance without a family carve-out. I even went through the trouble of picking random large cities throughout the US and literally every one of them has a carve out. Unless you can provide some data otherwise, why is your comment relevant to this discussion? What value were you trying to add?


Why is the exact device the problem?

20 years ago everyone on suburban trains would be looking at a newspaper, magazine or book throughout their journey. Then they would watch a couple of hours of TV at home. Why is 'looking at a phone' such a problem, when most of the looking replicates those activities, with much of the rest being basic utilities which didn't exist previously - consulting a map, ordering food or shopping, looking up timetables or schedules?


You're ignoring the engineered addiction to the games on phones. Loot boxes, 2 free hours of play with double bonuses, etc.

There is no engineered addiction to reading the New York Times, so people just put it down when something else wants their attention.

Looking at a phone is a problem to the extent that it cuts you off from real interactions in society. It is a problem to the extent that the attention you pay to the phone does not go toward solving real problems.

It can be a problem because it allows kids to escape from uncomfortable situations like struggling to learn something, and the Instagram-perfect view of the world makes their own lives feel inferior.


But the New York Times on a phone is not particularly more or less addictive than the same content on a piece of paper. Nor does reading it on a phone cut anyone off from the rest of society any more than focusing on the printed paper or a book or a Walkman.

If the problem is games, social media, or porn, why don't we identify those as social problems and try to fix them? Rather than blaming the device.


Oh! It definitely is, and it was engineered to make it more. The comments make sure of that, then you've got the alerts for Breaking News, the sense of urgency in animated visuals with shiny colors. Of course, the NYT in a phone is far more addicting.


I’m confident that people watching porn on suburban trains isn’t the problem.


Naming the device where we consume addictive content is just a convenient shorthand.

If we just stuck to the same NY Times articles we would have read in the paper that would be fine. But very few of us have the will power to pick up our device and not wonder into social media apps.


    > Looking at a phone is a problem to the extent that it cuts you off from real interactions in society.
I am confused here. Is reading the New York Times in paper form, on an e-reader, or a mobile phone different? If you are reading on a mobile phone, can you "just put it down when something else wants their attention"? Also, I was a subscriber to NYT for about 15 years, but quit about 10 years ago when the content got more and more click/rage-baity. (This is probably true of most large US newspapers.)

Final comment about paper vs digital newspapers: I much prefer paper because the adverts are print-only (no motion/animation) and there are no auto-play videos. It is much less distracting.


That would be fine but it’s not how people use phones. It’s far more time spent on addictive social media and games.


> There is no engineered addiction to reading the New York Times, so people just put it down when something else wants their attention.

Tell that to all the absolute news addicts out there. News is very clearly addicting, just like loot box games.


News doesn't get created that fast.

There's a lot of commentary addicts and such. Cable "news" started this, the internet has magnified it even more. "Screens" wouldn't be the problem if we all used them for mental enrichment, but instead they've been taken over by "engagement"-hunters trying as hard as possible to get you to see just one more ad... and then another one... and another one...


>News doesn't get created that fast.

They are repeated many times with slightly different wording to create appearance of many news, since they aren't limited by print.


> 20 years ago everyone on suburban trains would be looking at a newspaper, magazine or book throughout their journey.

Some folks did this, others chatted with the 'regulars' that they sat with that had the same schedule as them. There were television series based on this:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_48

Some folks didn't want to chat, and in the Toronto-area commuter rail there are designated zones for that:

* https://www.gotransit.com/en/travelling-on-go/quiet-zone


What you are demonstrating is that already in 2003, people talking to each other during their commute was a fantasy rather than an actual occurrence.


Do you think the airborne drops of Operation Overlord were a fantasy because someone made a television (mini-)series on them (i.e., Band of Brothers)?


Certainly I would not take the television series as proof that they happened with regularity or in the way depicted.


You have simply gone in the other direction: taking the television series as proof something did not happen, that it was "fantasy".


I had a long commute in public transport during the mid 2000s, made lots of acquaintances, even dated some girls I met on this bus. Definitely, people were more open to engage in conversation if you started it.


Nah, the portion of people on phones vs reading newspapers/magazines/books is much higher. Most people 20 years ago didn't find enough interesting in the average paper or magazine (and didn't read for pleasure much anyway).

So it was a weak background distraction at most. Course, different places had different accepted levels of conversation - London tubes aren't chatty - but there's a difference in brain activity, patterns, anxiety, etc sitting in silence with your thoughts vs having the phone constantly trying to get "engagement" with attention-grabbing provocations.

Similarly, watching TV at home was more "background" than "constant binge." The types of shows reflect this - intentionally repetitive, fairly low stakes, things are back to normal at the end of the episode, because most people weren't so hooked that they watched the same stuff every week at the same time.

"Background phone use" is much more conversation-killing.


The amount of time spent on phones is FAR greater than the time spent on all those activities you describe combined.


What did you do with the other time? (Serious question)


I remember meeting a lot of people by just talking to them in the subway during y daily commute. That happened both in France and Japan. Nowadays with phones it happens a lot less..


I commuted by public transit for around two decades before the ubiquity of smartphones and never experienced or witnessed this.


You spoke with "a lot" of people in Japan on the subway during your daily commute? I am stunned here. Can you provide more details? (Years / location / line?) I find this very hard to believe. Metro trains in Tokyo and Osaka (and suburbs) are basically silent except very late when people are drunk, talking with their friends.


Kyoto 2005 to 2008. Mostly Kintetsu and subway (mostly between Kyoto and Nara). Later keihan from demachiyanagi to shijo kawaramachi. I am the one who often initiated the conversation (apart from some osaka bachans who did initiate. I'm using that term of endearment not criticism despite their fearful reputation Osaka bachans are great). There were also significantly less tourists back then. Made a few friends with whom I still stay in touch. Also met my first wife like this.

I had the same experience of meeting people in the same way in Shanghai in 2004 (bus and subway). And before that, in France,the bus line I took near my university was filled with students.


I spoke with Japanese people on the subway. They were very friendly to this gaijin.


> talking to them [...] Japan

Really struggling to imagine people talking on the subway during their morning commute in Japan!! Culture changes.


Today, instead of 3 hours of TV at home, it's 4-6 hours of TV in 10-sec snippets at max volume on devices that are much too big

The secondhand socials are driving me nuts


There is an absolutely massive difference between reading a map and scrolling tiktok. The level of engagement and entertainment social media provides is off the charts compared to what people used to distract themselves with.


Can you provide a reproducible example of how sorting rows can lead to unrecoverable data loss?

Also, commas in quoted strings are quite mainstream csv, but csvs with quoted strings containing unescaped newlines are extremely baroque. Criticism of csv based on the assumption that strings will contain newlines is not realistic.


> Can you provide a reproducible example of how sorting rows can lead to unrecoverable data loss?

This was in the context of having it in a place humans can edit it directly so the case here is sorting rows by sorting lines. CSV has this wonderful property when editing - anything that doesn't parse it in then out to ensure that it is a valid file lets you write out a broken file if you mess it up - and in addition has the property that the record delimiter is an exceptionally common element in text.

So to answer your question, sure - take a csv file with newlines in some entries and sort the lines. You can restore it if you don't have two entries with newlines in the same field, and then only if you know it was exactly valid to start with, extra commas anywhere etc.

> csvs with quoted strings containing unescaped newlines are extremely baroque

No, they're all over the place. If you don't think so I don't believe you've worked with lots of real world csvs. Also, how do you know? How do you know your file doesn't contain them? Here's a fun fact - you can get to the point very easily where you *cannot programmatically tell*.

> Criticism of csv based on the assumption that strings will contain newlines is not realistic.

It's a very common thing to happen though.

Let's imagine something. CSV doesn't exist. I'm proposing it to you. I tell you that the bytes used to split records is a very commonly occurring thing in text. But don't worry! You can escape this by putting in another character commonly used. Oh and to escape that use two of them :)

Would you tell me to use something else? That you could foresee this causing problems?


I would tell you to escape the newlines. Then you would know as much about CSV with multiline text in it as most other people in the world.


This is about dealing with csv files in the wild not about whether you can craft the perfect csv file. I have had years dealing with actual csv files from all corners of the world and all corners of sanity.


Are the CSVs with literal newlines in string fields in the room with us right now?


They're definitely in the room I'm in, yes.


How would you deserialise the entity "0.4288"?


I know it's annoying to suggest that consumer preferences will fix stuff like this when clearly it comes from some corporate design culture that completely ignores consumer preference.

But in this case (a $50 device rather than a washing machine or something) why wouldn't you just get a different pair made by a different company?


1) A huge amount of wireless devices have these annoying low battery warnings which make the last 20 minutes a terrible user experience, you'd probably go through a whole lot of headphones/earbuds before you'd find one which doesn't. (And good wireless headphones and earbuds are typically significantly more expensive than $50)

2) There are many factors which go into how good earbuds/headphones are. While incredibly annoying and unnecessary, the quality of the "low battery" warning's implementation is realistically gonna be very low on the list of priorities for pretty much anyone. It's likely that the overall best product (when considering audio quality, Bluetooth implementation quality, battery life, price, comfort, weight, extra features like water/sweat/dust proofing, etc etc) is gonna have an annoying "low battery" warning.


Do you mean returning the wireless earphones, and then getting different?


No I mean just consider the money spent on the annoying ones lost and buy another pair.

No one wants to do that but for a relatively low ticket item which one uses for hours every day it seems masochistic not to do so.


In that case, "consumer preferences [wont] fix stuff like this" because no signal is sent back to "corporate design".


Most decent noise cancelling headphones cost hundreds of dollars, so not exactly low ticket items.


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