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Welp tptacek has never seen anything like this so it must be made up!

Obviously tptacek is smarter than the entire NSA. You heard it on HN folks! Nothing to worry about.


Did you ever think that maybe the majority of the Linux community knows better than you?


You must not forget that many distros moved to systemd out of necessity rather than desire, and for some (Debian) the decision was lengthy, splitting and controversial.

EDIT: By "necessity", I mean things such as GNOME (which is a very often used graphical shell in a majority of distributions) and udev (which is getting integrated into systemd, is used by most distros, and, bar Busybox's mdev or Gentoo's eudev fork, has no alternative) depending or planning to depend on systemd.


Also, before anyone points to previous messages saying that udev will continue to be usable without systemd, they're out of date. Lennart Poettering currently intends to make systemd a requirement to use udev and expects applications to use the new systemd-only way of calling into udev directly, so that distros can't even fork udev or use an older version to get around the issue. See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTczNjI


And he even knows it : "I guess in a way with the energy we are pushing the changes we propose with we are calling for opposition"

On one hand, personal and death threats are way out of line. On the other hand, he kinda rip what he sow. He could have done the same post without mentioning Linus and Gentoo for instance. When you put so much "energy" to push for a key component, don't be surprise by the push back. Especially if you're not willing to compromise. Yes, it can get out of hand, but that doesn't mean the push back has no ground.


I think it's just a vocal minority.

It's hard to say that "closed source" even has a community, so of course it's easy to point out assholes in the open source community.

I find (about half the time) submitting an issue on just about any github project run by "professionals" is a good way to be met with hostile behavior. It makes me wonder if the same things happen behind closed doors at places like google, Apple, MS, etc. I read a report a few months back about how the general atmosphere at google was one of pretentious content for fellow employees.

Maybe the tech community needs to get off its high-horse as a whole, including Lennart, who isn't 100% not-guilty of ever being "rude".

What tech related ecosystem has a "friendly" community?


submitting an issue on just about any github project run by "professionals" is a good way to be met with hostile behavior

I would hesitate to equate what the author is describing (raising funds to have him killed, for example) with a little rudeness from a professional developer.


Pretentious content?

Lennart concedes he's been guilty of being less than admirably professional in that post.

I'm sure we've all spent some time in various free software communities that are always friendly, rarely rude.


I had a similar thought. It is quite common at our office to get loud about certain topics that specific devs may feel very passionate about (perhaps they made the decision to implement something and someone is arguing it should be done a different way, etc).

I can't imagine this is very different from what we see in open source.


It won't be tolerable until we weed out anyone who might say anything that anyone finds slightly offensive. No jokes allowed.

You think laws made to help people get up from the bottom tier should apply to everyone on the bottom tier and not just people of a certain color? Well you're racist.

Your favorite movie is blazing saddles? Well guess what: you're a racist.

/s

I think everyone should be able to use the same water fountain and no one should be able to cut in line solely based on the color of their skin, but on their level of thirstyness.

According to a lot of people on reddit (and HN) I'm a racist. I thought racism was discriminating against someone based on skin color.


Have these programs been responsible for actually stopping any large scale terrorist attacks?


Depends on what you define as responsible.

The NSA's bulk data collecting has been cited as the investigation's initiating factor in 4 out of 225 terrorism-related investigations, that's 1.7%. Is 1.7% worth it? I guess the Australian government said yes.

Source: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/13/review-finds...


No. The programs are not about terrorism at all.

Check for other comments on this thread (I posted a lengthy one) for details.


An answer that usually works:

Absolutely, because there have been no large scale terrorist attacks.


"Why are you waving that handkerchief?"

"Keeping the elephants away..."

You know the rest.


The thing is that they have been doing just fine with their current powers - there is no need to expand them. I have no doubt that actual terrorist plotting has been countered by ASIO, but I also have no doubt that ASIO clearly already have enough powers to do their job appropriately.


Implying that there is such a thing as just enough power.


Is Fedora 21 Alpha my best choice for trying this out?


Probably, but I heard Debian unstable is already packaging it, so that's an option too.


Both Debian and Fedora are good options. As summed up nicely by the "Introducing GNOME3 3.14" video at 2:15 [1], here is a probable order of 3.14 landing in various distributions:

1. Arch

2. Fedora

3. Debian

4. Mageia

5. SuSE

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p8Prlu3owc#t=135


>The galaxy note is made out of plastic, it wouldn't bend, it would break, if subjected to the same forces.

This video says different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwM4ypi3at0


But will the galaxy S4 bend in your pocket and still be bent when you take it out?


No but it could potentially crack in your pocket, and still be cracked when you take it out.


>This is a problem with any object of similar proportions and rigidity when sufficient pressure is applied.

Well they need to change their design then. It's a design flaw.


> Well they need to change their design then. It's a design flaw.

Uh, what? You really think that because of an edge case outside of intended use (again: not just putting the phone in the pocket, we're actually applying significant pressure to it in order to accomplish this) Apple should design a thicker phone?

There are 5.1 million car crashes in the US per year which result in damage, dents, and bends to cars. Maybe we should redesign all of them too?

You're suggesting that because the material is not impervious to pressure they should augment the physical characteristics of the product to allow for an extraordinarily remote eventuality which is exhibited in a tiny number of devices which are used entirely outside of the normal conditions (i.e. they're under ENOUGH FUCKING PRESSURE TO BEND THEM.)

Get a grip.


>SquareTrade found that the iPhone 6 holds up impressively well in drops, spills and slips

But surprisingly they didn't test bends.


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