> why the hell would I sign up for a service that does what email/IMAP does in the first place?
I don't know nor use the app promoted by GP, but in general the problem with apple is that they don't support the standard email/IMAP push, and only some 3rd parties have approval to use the non-standard apple email push (Fastmail I think). So people have come up with ways to get around apple's arbitrary restrictions.
I recently switched to Fastmail. When I was asking an LLM about using it with the native Apple apps, it mentioned this approval that was needed, and that it didn't always work. I'd be interested to hear some first-hand experiences.
My dad has been using his own domain for email for about 25 years and has bounced around to various hosts... random hosting providers. He uses Apple Mail and hasn't ever mentioned having an issue. Though I'm unsure if he uses push of fetch. I guess I always assumed he was using push, but maybe not.
It's pretty reliable. I'm actually quite amazed that it's been this long and Apple hasn't opened it more widely. We just happened to be in the right room at the right time to get a custom contract with Apple to have a signing key. The underlying tech is in a couple of open source projects.
Of course we're all hoping that clients move to JMAP at some point, where push is first-class citizen and we don't need the very custom hack that Apple uses to receive pushes right now.
That's good to hear. There's a lot to be said for being in the right place at the right time.
I've been using the Fastmail app to get started, which has been working great and the migration tools worked really well. Once I'm fully migrated I may want to set up the native apps for some added OS integration.
> a service that does what email/IMAP does in the first place?
Haven’t dug into this yet, but are you saying it isn’t a pure eMail client? That it’s a service to which you bodily hand off all your eMail passwords, and therefore the keys to your digital kingdom? That it’s someone else’s computer that’s retrieving your eMails for you?
Holy shite, how _stupid_ are people?
Like, holy MiTM exploiting, Batman. I would NEVER hand off eMail access to a third party. That’s begging to have your entire online existence destroyed.
Hate to break it to you, but it's a multi billion dollar TAM. Have a look at Superhuman. Yes, it's the definition of MiTM. Especially if your content is being chucked into OpenAI with no regard.
I’ve been checking your client for a while and it looks awesome, thanks for the reminder, finally after 30+ years I think I really got tired and left IRC for good but I’ll download and give it a go later today.
Moved to https://search.brave.com years ago because that's what works/worked the best for me but I'm about to move again I think to https://noai.duckduckgo.com because of that annoying Leo AI that's always wrong.
I'd love to move away from Google entirely but it's a long process, years of business on Google Workspace etc. I hate to be tied to companies like this, when I started I never thought Google would end up like Microsoft.
I think it's neither, it all comes down to peace of mind and that's the true future of technology.
In the past it was more of a race of companies trying to get "there" first, not anymore, we live in an interesting age where people feel constantly controlled and everyone is exhausted about tech in general.
Linux gives you that middle finger peace of mind like saying "I will never be controlled anymore and ever again" ..funny there is a big Warez article on the HN homepage at the same time of this discussion, that's exactly what it feels like to finally come out on the other side legally.
People took decades to finally being liberated from Windows and Microsoft and many like me will never be controlled that way again and while I respect Apple more than Microsoft for a lot of things in the end it's just another corporation that wants to greedily take your life energy and precious time and enslave you again.
They are creating the best hardware at the worst possible time, but it's good for competition so it's all good.
I'll gladly sell my soul first thing every morning in exchange for a laptop that lasts longer than two hours on battery, wifi/audio/webcam work after waking from sleep, and not needing to learn a complexity fractal of CLI commands to do basic things.
They are called Chromebooks. It can sometimes be difficult for some people to find that toggle switch that enables Debian, but I can assure you, no arcane CLI commands are involved.
EDIT: Any Chromebook using a Panther Lake chip, or an upcoming Googlebook ARM, can get you there.
Personally it's the software which doesn't make me buy one. The hardware really is one of the best you can buy but using the software makes me lose my hair.
> Where could you possibly find a misrepresentation like that?
On the stats website you linked at any time in the last 20 years with the exception of the two most recent months. To be explicit all of the data points are closer to 3% than 10% except July and August 2026.
I don’t think it’s that surprising that the GP has a misrepresentation of Linux desktop deployments given that the uptick is recent.
Unattended is no "magic". Go ahead and inspect the xml file created by that utility, all the customization and debloating is practically same as running a script post install.
If you really want to debloat before it's installed you want this: https://ntlite.com/
Some run post install, most during, NTLite is good as well but too much work since unattended.xml just works so well.
There was another one too at some point called MSMG Toolkit (IIRC) that worked wonders but who knows what happened to that.
After 30+ years of using every OS I just don't want to deal with an OS that constantly fights with you just to try to make it usable, unattended.xml is MY path of least resistance, configure once, check/update every now and then, no need to learn new tricks.
Been using Linux on and off for 30+ years and I’ve always always had second thoughts about using anything outside the main 3-4 distros, and I mean forks, blends etc. let alone vibe coded distros, even *buntu feels like a stretch.
I really like DHH’s enthusiasm and what he’s trying to do but I will never touch that “distro”.
Debian/Devuan, Fedora/RHEL/Alma/Rocky, Arch/Artix, FreeBSD/OpenBS/NetBSD are all anyone will ever need.
You feel more adventurous? NixOS, Gentoo, Slackware, Void.
That’s it. No forks, no blends.
I keep Xebian and LMDE ISOs in my flash drive to show people but I don’t personally use even those.
People jumping all around these new distros that only seem to change a wallpaper without knowing the basics is a bad choice, like the first comment says, isn’t this the reason you wanted to move away from Windows in the first place?
Just take your time and enjoy learning, they are all so simple today compared to decades ago it’s crazy.
