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Give it a few centuries of evolution and maybe we'll get there

The alternative to ribbon is not menu+ quick access, it was easily customizable toolbars where you can simply drag and drop only the buttons you need in the toolbars you need at a fraction of screen space that the ribbon wastes. And no user is ever exposed to that XML garbage only a dev could love

Menubars/toolbars were not n00b-friendly but great for anyone that used a computer for technical reasons.

Old Photoshop, any CAD software, Excel. Smaller buttons and more of them is a steeper learning curve but results in far superior day-to-day usability. You can still hold down [Alt] and see hotkeys, that wasn't unique to the Ribbon UI.

it's all very much an example of the "Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" meme.


No they don't, they appear every time you scroll even if you never use the bar. And flashing of ui elements is in many cases worse than wasting that space permanently.

It's a tragedy decades of UI research/design can't get any of the fundamental design elements right


Correct, but you don't need the full thick scrollbar for the indicator function, some apps use a much smaller dot/guide

I'm constantly searching for the scroll bar position on mobile FF because its barely visible. And that's at least on a device where you can make the argument that horizontal screen real estate is limited, unlike a desktop PC where hiding scoll bars to save space makes zero sense at all.

More to the point, the indicator doesn’t need to always be visible to be useful. Appearing only when the viewport is noving works fine on the iPhone, for instance, because slighly moving the viewpoint to reveal it is a convenient action, and less well on desktop PCs where your hands are less likely to remain near movement controls at all times.

It’s also applicaction specific: I care a lot more about relative viewport size and position when reading a long document than I do when I’m entering commands at the bottom of a terminal’s scrollback buffer.


I don't disagree with your overall point. However, I don't find wiggling the scroll wheel on my mouse or a quick two finger swipe on a good touchpad any less convenient than using my thumb to do the same jiggle on my phone.

I do, possibly because I rarely use laptops and tend to lean back away from my desk when reading material on my desktop with its 55” display.

No matter, this is exactly the sort of thing that can and should be implemented as a systemwide user option, possibly with app- or even app-profile level overrides for cases like terminal emulators where users are less likely to prefer full-time scrollbars.


How can it be related to perfection to permanently waste a strip of space you rarely (and in some apps never) use?

Is there a mouse module? Can you connect in a "staggered" manner rather than in a linear grid?

There isn’t a mouse module yet, but I am going to make more modules that include screens, finger print sensors, and I’ll add in a mouse one too :D. Currently there isn’t support for a staggered manner but I am going to work on it for the next revision.

Constructive feedback would be pointing to specific issues and how to improve them, not just "no nonsense"

"make no mistakes", my guy. Some people took these habits to communication with other people nowadays.

Are humans still involved in summarizing? Why is "What you need to know" missing the vote count even though the title is about votes?

AFAIK the final numbers are not out yet, the electoral commission called it because Lula's margin is sufficiently large that Bolsonaro mathematically cannot win.

What makes the core IDE so bad that it requires using all the new ones instead of improving/extending the core?

Of course you can have online discussion without moderation. In the most basic form: you publish on your site, I respond on mine. No moderator involved

And there are plenty of other differences besides "who", for example, "how".


> can have online discussion without moderation

That's a big negatory.

>you publish on your site,

And your site gets a takedown for illegal content, or cops show up at your door and drag you out while beating you.

Life is heavily moderated in a million different ways. What we're talking about this point is just moderation or unjust moderation.


It’s hard to take down sites on Tor. Usually impossible without the full weight of the FBI/CIA. I agree with the user above: we can do decentralised communication without censorship. Of course if you start from the faulty premise that online discourse needs to occur on one of a handful of censored platforms then that’s impossible.

And so tor has a reputation of mainly being used for illegal things - because it is - and several countries just block the entire thing.

Illegal, meaning There's laws against it, like being gay in many countries. Not morally wrong, although there is a lot of that.

Yes, but using Tor actually can have negative effects, such as buying illegal things, like drugs, and other things that you would want to be anonymous while buying...

Or like doing drugs, in other countries. If you make a system where you can be gay because the law can't touch it, you can also do drugs because the law can't touch it.

even in countries where it's blocked there are ways in. Chinese users are given unlisted bridges which camouflage their traffic signal.

Yeah, that's not going to solve twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.

I'll make my position clear: many parties try to influence people, and quite a few of them do so with grave consequences. The swing to extreme right politics cannot be seen separate from internet interference. In the words of the article: it's already not "technology serving people", but rather "controlling" them.

If extreme right (or left) parties come to power, your freedom of speech and privacy is over. So it's either moderate moderation, or authoritarian moderation. And if it's up to me, it's not your choice.


> Yeah, that's not going to solve twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.

It sounds like that would precisely be a solution to the problems of using these platforms.


I think we may assume these sites won't go away, and also that a personal blog is not a solution for the vast majority.

LOL And here, folks, is the problem. This person is absolutely certain the far "right" is the problem ... not his beloved echo chamber censoring totalitarian "left".

An insane take. If you could read, ypu would have understood I'm not in favor of dictatorship nor censorship. Nor am I part of any echo chamber. Thou doth project too much, methinks.

> The swing to extreme right politics cannot be seen separate from internet interference

Correct, specifically, Elon removed widespread (and thoroughly documented) left wing interference on Twitter.

Unfortunately he did eventually add back his own (in the form of boosting his own account), but it's much freer than it was, and for whatever reason Zuck decided to follow suit.


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