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Europe for one have used alphanumeric flight numbers for years.

Is the seller ok? It seems a bit strange to sell such an heirloom for a few thousand bucks so many years after the fact. No judgement, of course, it's his to sell for any price he wants. Just feels sad if he needs the money.

> - The benefits over the older model are a bit nebulous

This is far from the case with IPv6!


Is it? There are many benefits in principle to IPv6, but if my ISP continues to assign me a single dynamic IP, those benefits are entirely moot for me.

If your ISP is assigning you a single IPv6 address, they are doing IPv6 wrong. You should be getting your own /56.

Every time you use the word "should" you're fighting reality.

Plenty of ISPs do it right (examples: my last 3). That the parent poster's apparently doesn't isn't an argument against the technology their ISP fails to deploy correctly.

Reality is that lots of ISPs do this right. And have for a very long time.


If an ISP chooses to deploy a technology in a bad way, that is not the technology's fault. Even if most ISPs were just giving users a /128 address (which to be clear, is very much not the case), that would not be some kind of failure of IPv6.

IBM and to a larger extent Microsoft's business tactics in the 80s and 90s were not a failure of Amiga, Linux, or Apple (technology and capability-wise).

The fact that porn was allowed on VHS wasn't a failure of the Betamax technology.

Preventing key-jamming on typewriters is not a failure of Dvorak.

The technology does not matter, the real world decides. Right now, there is no reason for people to care about IPv6, other than when it's the cause of issues.


Even a /64, while wrong, would be a significant improvement over IPv4.

Even a /128 would be, since most of them don't even have enough IPv4 addresses anymore and use CGNAT extensively.

Your ISP assigns you a single dynamic /128? Which ISP is that?

My ISP (Bell Aliant) doesn't support IPv6 at all. Rogers though, for example, assigns you a /56 block but it's dynamic.

Is the argument that there are no benefits to IPv6 for anyone/society because your specific ISP messes it up?

Of course not. The argument is that the benefits are nebulous.

... if you use ISPs that don't deploy the technology correctly. Faced with multiple providers of a technology, are we to judge its benefits by the worst ones?

Do they actually or do you just assume they do because your computer gets one address?

Right, but just because you don't happen to have IPv6 right now, how does that remove the benefits for others to have IPv6? That's like saying having a faster CPU wouldn't mean faster performance, because I don't have that CPU yet.

> Compilers have never been about producing code in particular, though, even if that is where they are most commonly used. A LaTeX compiler, for example, outputs books. To think they are about code exclusively is a grave misunderstanding of what a compiler is.

And what, pray tell, are those books output by TeX? That's right, PDF or PostScript code.


This is a tired, idiotic analogy. For one, if LLMs are compilers, they're terrible compilers because they can't be reasoned about the way one wants to reason about a compiler (but I assume you have a weird take here since you claim compilers are non-deterministic).

But more importantly, if you insist on treating LLMs like compilers, then the source language – natural prose – is the worst programming language ever invented. Coding the world in brainfuck is a better idea than where you lot is suggesting we go.


Minimum wage? Where I live, the plumber median wage is pretty much exactly the national median.

Sure, but that is today. When AI decimates the knowledge fields, a whole lot of people are going to be looking at different career options. There will not be any shortage of people hoping to make money in the trades, and with that surge in supply will come a collapse in prices.

> There will not be any shortage of people hoping to make money in the trades, and with that surge in supply will come a collapse in prices.

And the worst case downward spiral will involve not only a surge in supply but a drastic drop in demand to go along with it.

All of those previous "knowledge workers" scurrying for the trades not only become more labor supply, but without their cushy jobs they will no longer be able to afford to hire trades people to prop up the demand side.

Double whammy.


Ah, then I understand you. But please, let's stop with this inevitability. If AI decimates, not when.

Apologies, I'm with you. I was speaking to the hypothetical, not trying to suggest it is inevitable. I think it is uncertain how this plays out, but I am an optimist and I think it ends up a net positive.

Why would it not? The economic incentives make it inevitable. Might as well expect water to not flow downhill.

It is very plausible that LLMs never get to 100% replacement for knowledge workers and the winners will the people who use both, leaving behind the people who thought all they needed to do was cut costs by doing existing workloads without humans. It remains to be seen if the constraint on quantity of knowledge work was the people or the work.

It remains to be seen, but a reasonable argument against this is found in the progression of chess AI engines. After Kasparov was beaten there was still a period where the best humans working with machines were still better than the machines on their own. Eventually (around 2020 I think?) this was no longer the case, having even the best humans on Earth in the loop was a net negative. There are reasonable arguments against this, but I've found them mostly unconvincing.

> Why would it not? The economic incentives make it inevitable.

Citation needed. Again, I wanna emphasize that I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm just saying that it's not a given that it will.

There is very little sign that current models can do anything but (at best!) augment most knowledge workers (with some exceptions). And there are very reasonable open questions about whether it's economically, and ecologically, sustainable to continue development at anything near the current pace. There is, in fact, plenty of indicators that even the current SoTA is the result of a financial overexertion.


> To be fair, those spikes are rarer now than they were a year ago.

Which, we should remember, is a good thing for society.


Absolutely. It’s amazing here how government incentives to install batteries have led to stabilization of the grid. Power outages are pretty much a thing of the past now.

This is the kind of stuff AI-skeptics have warned about daily on this very site for the last year or two. We are met with "you'll be left behind" and "you're just coping" and "the future is coming".

This shit is blatantly obvious. And if people keep pushing and pushing for LLMs to generate things that are actually used directly, the problem will grow so large that most people will barely remember a time when their job was something that could be understood.

This is why generative AI sucks.


In the lawyer's case one might argue that it's just a time quantization inaccuracy. There's no smaller unit of time than an hour for them.

One can argue that there should be, but billing in 10 second increments might also be a bit much to ask.

One would hope that they would at least aggregate multiple smaller-than-resolution time blocks into one before billing though. (Five documents over the course of a week ends up costing the same)


... but the parent makes a good point that software can be malleable, and that it's a good thing.

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