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I've flagged an AI-generated add once that promoted a small device that could cool a hot room (many degrees celcius lower, very quickly, for very little energy and very little money and without external components), defying the laws of thermodynamics.

They said they investigated it and concluded it did not break any rules and no actions where taken.


There do exist "evaporative coolers", sometimes called "swamp coolers". The trick is that they require water and raise the humidity of their surroundings. But they tick all the boxes you listed - plenty of delta-t, extremely low power, no external tubes or parts.

It's not magic because it relies on the "fuel" of cool water to evaporate.


I'm not the same guy but I can verify that the advert for the impossible micro-evaporative cooler quoted impossible performance capabilities.

YouTube adverts frequently contain fraudulent, misleading information. It appears that no law is being broken.


I can believe that, I'm just here to point out that some of the laws being not-broken are the laws of thermodnamics. You can cool a room cheaply with dry ice, for instance. There are tricks.

I get what you're saying, that it's "thermodynamics violation OR trick". But if you're checking whether the ad is lying at face value, you exclude tricks like dry ice or precooling.

also known as an olla pot!

I've seen similar ads. For the ones I've seen the device isn't necessarily fake: it's just a swamp cooler. They're cheap and efficient if you're suffering in a dry heat.

ETA: the ads I've seen are still deceptive because they're claiming this is revolutionary new technology, which of course it isn't.


In July there was a BBC article on this, and how they were advertised on Facebook and YouTube.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6g41pzy41o


I flagged an AI-generated ad for an online casino that is not legal where I live. They run weird filters over the logo, never say what they actually do in the audio and also don't mention the company name just "look at our logo and find us online", it seems like they try to dodge some auto detection. They also replied they investigated and concluded it did not break any rules.

The whole idea behind scam sites marketing is to present an ad that knowledgeable people will find unattractive but gullible people will be lured into. Self selection keeps the based demographic from investigating the scam.

ah yes, like the Nigerian prince scam

They got back to you? I never got any response after repeatedly flagging that implausibly fast and cheap, "German engineered" 32TB external drive.

"Lisa, get in here... in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"


I guess they missed the rules of physics in their evaluation.

that's because the only rule they are investigating is if it makes them more money leaving it there and paying an eventual fine or removing it

And they still try to gaslight us into removing our adblockers. No thanks.

What I don't understand is that on one hand we read 'what they charge is much less than it costs them' and on the other hand this thread seems to suggest that 'what they charge is more than it would cost me'.


What it costs is tricky to measure. A large part of the costs are training the model. Once they have the model they are making a ton of profit from what they charge (or so we think - I haven't seen the numbers). However the sunk costs of getting the model need to be paid for and that means an accounting problem where we have to guess how much the model will be used in the future.

Accountants are reasonably good at figuring this out - there are a lot of different things that need a large upfront investment before you can charge anything. People still debate if they are correct in this each case.


Bigger models that Antrophic want to sell cost disproportionately more (e.g. 100% more cost for 5% performance improvement) than small models you would use locally


They have to provide the service at peak scale and high-availability, your local setup doesn't have those extremely expensive requirements.


Wouldn't be surprised if a dollar per entry already made a whole lot of difference.


I think that's the problem, or at least a problem, and a growing one.


This is me in the evening working on a side project.


Yeah I think this basically answers this entire sub-thread


Hungary can send an EIO to France or Germany, and the consistent trend has been to reduce the ability of executing states to review these requests.


Sure, those EIO will be held if Hungary starts applying EIO that it got (e.g. for former Ministry of Justice of Poland which awaits trail, he sits comfortably in Hungary).

Let's hope elections there will change Orban into something saner.


There’s a concerning trend of EIOs issued by Hungary being enforced in France and Germany? What would be an example of this?


This is the best I can give you off the top of my head, but look at which countries are the most active in eurojust :) https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/ar2020/data-annex

An LLM can probably find some better links though.


I think you might be missing the ‘concerning’ part. Which specific cases are concerning? I don’t find it inherently concerning that people can’t escape justice by crossing the Hungarian border, Bonnie and Clyde style.


Too explicitly spell it out, op is saying here that if any one of the 27 countries in the EU decides you are breaking one of their laws, they can have 1 of the other 26 enforce an EIO.


EIOs are subject to a dual criminality requirement. So it’s not as if arbitrary Hungarian laws can be applied in France via EIOs. And of course, we all know this is not happening, which is why we get radio silence from the people who are ‘concerned’ about this whenever specifics are requested.


>EIOs are subject to a dual criminality requirement

Dual criminality requirement only applies to non-Annex D crimes. Which is... not many crimes. You seem awfully confident for someone so ill-informed.

>And of course, we all know this is not happening

How would you know that it isn't happening? EIOs are not public!


Annex D is a list of things that are crimes pretty much everywhere.

Not sure what to make of the claim that Hungary might theoretically be enforcing Hungarian law in France. It seems surprising that no-one has noticed any specific consequences of this that you can point to.

The EIO is mostly just a formalization and standardization of a bunch of ad-hoc processes that were already in place. Law enforcement agencies in different European countries do try to assist each other, on the whole.


What you're missing is the erosion of the ability of the executing states to say things like "hey this is sketchy, we think this crime might not have happened", "hey the police department in this particular city is notoriously untrustworthy", or "hey this prosecutor is widely known in the local press to be corrupt and owns a collection of ferraris".

Now foreign authorities are trusted by default and significant parts of their reasoning are not subject to review, that's bad.


So provide some concrete examples of what you’re talking about, if it’s a real concern.


You understand that these aren't typically public, right? There's not any particularly good mechanism to discover abuse in this system in the first place, because the checks and balances are largely left to the requesting state.


Where are search warrants issued via public proceedings? You could make the same point about any jurisdiction.

Also, account first created in 2021, coincidentally starts posting right after the other account in this thread is replaced with a green account?


>Where are search warrants issued via public proceedings? You could make the same point about any jurisdiction.

It's different though, typically you can fight those warrants after the fact, with EIOs you have to do the fighting in a jurisdiction you don't live in.

This is all deeply problematic because things like "probable cause" have very different meanings in different EU countries, even if on paper it's all supposed to be the same.

>Also, account first created in 2021, coincidentally starts posting right after the other account in this thread is replaced with a green account?

Certainly not a coincidence.


Maybe stick to one account? It’s confusing for the rest of us, if nothing else.

You are determined not to point to any specific examples and you keep switching to different abstract arguments. For example, you’ve now dropped the point about EIOs being non-public in some sort of allegedly sinister way, and are raising a different set of equally irrelevant abstract points.


>you’ve now dropped the point about EIOs being non-public in some sort of allegedly sinister way

Nonsense, I told you that EIOs are non-public after you repeatedly insisted on examples of them being abused. I did not suggest that there's anything sinister about them being non-public. The sinister part is outsourcing warrants to other countries. I can't trust that the French legal system will protect me in France anymore because now I also have to trust the Hungarian legal system, that's bad.

Frankly, it seems silly to debate about whether or not these systems are being abused when we know that Poland has historically issued one third of all EAWs.


Which would be perfectly fine if your local jurisdiction could still properly review those foreign requests.


Oh no, that's totally up to you. If you're happy with the courts in your country not being able to review the requests sent from Hungary, that's cool. Without transparent judicial review, how could we even know if the cases are concerning?


EIOs are subject to review by the recipient state. It seems that you can’t point to a single relevant example of a concerning EIO from Hungary.


"Subject to review" means little more than "is the form filled correctly?", it certainly does not mean second-guessing by the courts in the executing state.

Like, yeah, your EIO will be rejected if you don't tick any of the crime-category boxes in the form.


And I bet the impact of your review work on their development into medior/senior goes towards 0.

I recognize this discrepancy where review effort becomes more than the coding itself. I don't think I could sustain that for long.


I have been looking at some way to reduce the burden on me and put it back on the developer submitting. So far I’ve been asking them to split their wall of code PRs down in to multiple smaller ones, and soon I’ll probably ask them to demo to me the feature working because I can’t assume they did this themselves.


I picked up miniature painting as a hobby around Christmas icm 3D printing with the idea of building a Christmas village from scratch. It's always fascinating what long and winded funnels every new hobby brings. In this case brushes, synthetic vs sabel, usage, care.


Especially given how fast things progress, timeline and performance are a tradeoff where I'd say swaying things in favour of the latter is not per definition net positive.


There's another benefit - you don't have to keep refactoring to keep up with "progress"!


Of course you do!

Microsoft makes a new UI framework every couple of years, liquid glass from apple and gnome has a new gtk version every so often.


Microsoft gets largely pilloried on every UI rethink, Apple’s Liquid Glass just annoyed everyone I’ve heard comment on it, and, fwiw, YouTube Music asking if it feels outdated is an unnecessary annoyance.


Totally agree if the AI or search results are a (relatively) direct answer to the question.

But what if the AI is used to build up a(n otherwise) genuine human response, like: 'Perhaps the reason behind this is such-and-such, (a quick google)|($AI) suggests that indeed it is common for blah to be blah, so...'


> ($AI) suggests

Same logic still applies. If I gave a shit what it "thought" or suggests, I'd prompt the $AI in question, not HN users.

That said, I'm not against a monthly (or whatever regular periodic interval that the community agrees on) thread that discusses the subject, akin to "megathreads" on reddit. Like interesting prompts, or interesting results or cataloguing changes over time etc etc.

It's one of those things that can be useful to discuss in aggregate, but separated out into individual posts just feels like low effort spam to farm upvotes/karma on the back of the flavor of the month. Much in the same way that there's definitely value in the "Who's Hiring/Trying to get hired" monthly threads, but that value/interest drops precipitously if each comment/thread within them were each their own individual submission.


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