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Mass market users don't seem to prioritize these kind of values when making software decisions.


that's a problem. Especially because they claim to care passionately about it.

I think more realistically computers are Still mysterious magic boxes to them to some extent


Could you give an example something Amazon would have a challenge doing due to its scale?


It's a shame someone down-voted you. I'm not sure if you were being rhetorical, but this question is easily answered because the answer is, quite simply, "just about anything".

Want to add anything new to the page? Well, at Amazon-scale, your little widget is going to have to go through some pretty intense design review and load testing, because at over 150 million page views per day, tiny time penalties can add up to significant capacity issues.

Amazon is also notorious for deep introspection of user behavior, so any little thing you want to add is going to have to go in to the big bin of factors that might influence a customer to "click the button" (or not). Data about your new feature will have to be integrated in to the models that are used to evaluate user behavior, or at a minimum, the group who handles that will have to sign off on not tracking the impact of your new feature on user behavior.

The whole concept of "the group that manages that" isn't unique to Amazon, but once you pass a certain size, you don't simply add features or new products without a involving lots of people. That is a challenge unique to Amazon-sized companies.


Because someone needs to say it: We should all be highly skeptical of a single model's results.


I hadn't thought about TBL that way before. Do you have other examples to help make that point? I'm curious...


Note that this Tim B Lee is NOT Tim Berners-Lee of invention of the web (HTTP) fame.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/23...

"The change represents a fundamental shift in power in the Internet economy that threatens to undermine the competitive market structure that have served Internet users so well for the past two decades"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/06...

"But then, in the 1990s, a patent-friendly appeals court handed down a series of decisions that opened the door to patents on software. That triggered a wave of patenting that has drowned the technology industry in litigation."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2013/01/17/aaron-swar...

"If Ortiz thought Swartz only deserved to spend 6 months in jail, why did she charge him with crimes carrying a maximum penalty of 50 years? It’s a common way of gaining leverage during plea bargaining. Had Swartz chosen to plead not guilty, the offer of six months in jail would have evaporated. Upon conviction, prosecutors likely would have sought the maximum penalty available under the law. And while the judge would have been unlikely to sentence him to the full 50 years, it’s not hard to imagine him being sentenced to 10 years."

I get that all these things resonate deeply with hackers. But Rush Limbaugh's broadcasts resonate deeply with his audience, too.


> I get that all these things resonate deeply with hackers. But Rush Limbaugh's broadcasts resonate deeply with his audience, too.

I don't see how you should be casting stones considering the rhetorical device you're employing right here.

He's super libertarian, for sure, and he writes about technology policy, so what did you expect? There is still legitimate content here, these are not techcrunch articles, and dismissing it like this is just weak.


I don't know what you mean by "legitimate content," but saying things like "prosecutors would have sought the maximum penalty (of 50 years)" is just wholly inaccurate. If you said that on HN during the daylight hours, eventually an adult would come around and correct you.

It's not merely "unlikely" that Swartz was going to get 50 years. It was impossible. He could have plead not guilty, and then taken the stand, answered every question with "LAWRENCE LESSIG SAID I AM SPECIAL, SO I AM ALLOWED TO GO WHEREVER I WANT" and he still would not have gotten even half that penalty. "It's not hard to imagine Swartz getting 10 years" says more about the speaker's imagination than any real reading of sentencing guidelines.

It's like an average-quality HN commenter got a journalism job and didn't bother actually learning things that disagree with his worldview. Saying "Swartz was facing 50 years!" sure gets the blood flowing, doesn't it?

Apparently our industry is "drowning" in legislation. Given the tremendous rise in power and salary for all players, I bet other industries wish they were "drowning" the same way we are.


I like the idea. It could shake up the whole lurker pool of users or fail miserably. Wouldn't it be interesting to have a community of users that are 100% engaged?


You don't think they're building things that matter? have you seen their app install ad network?


What did you always suspect was the core flaw?


Auction takes too long / is too heavy. The whole point of a convenience app is that it is supposed to be "just take care of this for me", not "let's spend time figuring out the bid/accept process".


You could see the listings sitting around in the marketplace for extended periods of time if you browse a bit. And I never used it because I didn't like that I had to guess how much the job was worth. It was clear that something in the model was broken


I worked at an oral surgeons office for a few years. Everytime we performed jaw surgery on someone who was in a fight, 9/10 times they also had a broken hand.

The hand wasn't designed for punching either.


As a trained boxer I just hope I never get in a fight because at the speeds/power I can punch with my wrists will just shatter. Even with huge padded boxing gloves and wrist wraps it takes a month off training before my wrists stop hurting.


I've studied Martial Arts for about 12 years. You're totally right. It takes years of training to learn how to properly throw a punch such that you harm your opponent and do not break your own hand.


And part of that is not attacking targets where you're likely to significantly injure yourself as well as your opponent. There's a lot to be said for not punching someone in the jaw.


and that part about the right way to hit different parts of the body.

a slap is almost as hard, and won't hurt the slapper.


A slap is no where near as hard. Surface area of an open hand vs surface area of 2-3 knuckles. Think hammer vs fly-swat.


It is still possible to knock someone out with a slap. Some bouncers in the UK recommend it as a) it doesn't hurt your hand so much and b) telling the police you just slapped someone doesn't sound so bad. Plenty of videos on youtube of people being knocked out with a slap.


being knocked out is related to the brain hitting the walls of the skull, it has very little to do with what caused that. Slap, Fist, head-butt, concrete, car crash etc.

But I was responding to the claim slapping is equivalent to punching.


Depends on the goal. You're right about it being less likely to break a bone (on the target) or cause bleeding (again, on the target), but a solid slap will cause similar secondary impacts (brain hitting the skull)

I'll take a KO after some body shots and two working hands over a bloodied up opponent and a broken hand. There are much better tools to use against a skull, like elbows (less delicate than hands), but you need to account for range and movement.


You are arguing hypothetical outcomes, I'm arguing applied force.

We are kind of talking past each other.


Just so we're talking about the same kind of slap. If I had to guess, and I can only guess at this point, you're thinking... like... a slap, a swing with an arm.

I'm talking more like an open handed punch, complete with torso rotation and a pivot. Like a hook, just no fist.

oh, oh, got another one.

Look into the impulse of the strike, and the pressure area. Here, you're going to see a big difference, in favor of your position.

You'll have the same amount of force, probably with a significant increase in the speed that force transmits into the struck area. You're right. Past a certain point, though, someone doesn't get /more/ unconscious.

And, to anticipate your possible response, yes, they can end up /more/ unconscious to the point of death, but, cement does a much better job of that than any human body part.


No sir. Been slapped, been punched, and done both. I'm talking anecdotal evidence, you're talking engineering.


There are completely different mechanics in a slap though. With a punch you have different delivery options (looping vs linear vs uppercut etc) all of which affect the way in which the force is generated. With a slap you're pretty limited.

That said, getting slapped has a psychological effect you don't get from a punch, which can be exactly what you want.


Hominids have been using tools for a very long time. Hypothesis: facial adaptations provide some protection from blunt weapons like wooden sticks. EDIT: and rocks.


Is anybody else bothered by the amount of news this is causing?


Thank republicans who block infrastructure spending every chance they get.


Wrong! There are very few Republicans in the Bay Area and none in SF city goverment.


There are a lot of republicans in the Bay Area, they just seem to be the very wealthy kind (and are more moderate). Source: I used to hang out at the San Carlos Starbucks and a group of old guys would come in everyday to praise Bush (they were really cool, however, one was a B29 pilot in W2).


Good point.


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