"decent mid-level developer or tech executive makes more than nearly all physicians"

That's no where near true for a mid level developer or most tech execs or most senior developers. If you exclude faangs a top developer doesn't make as much as a doctor.

You need to consider the economic cost of delayed earnings, which is massive for the physician, and the higher pay later typically doesn’t make up for the massive debt and low pay early on. It’s not just about a point in time salary sizing contest. Earning little to nothing early in one’s career creates a massive net worth void to fill.

Physician lifetime earnings counting for delay, and debt… normal investment, etc: 8.5-10m. Software engineer median is much lower. About 6.5m. Specialist and high end varies greatly. Median doctor is earning 2x a SWE (130k vs 250k).

People on HN vastly overestimate SWE pay as an industry, biased by FAANG as we are :).

Lifetime earnings of 6.5M is more than lifetime earnings of 8.5M if the 6.5M is front-end loaded and the 8.5M is back-end loaded and starts with a 0.5M hole.

It's the difference between compound interest working for you vs compound interest working against you.

I accounted for that when I modeled it. I explicitly added investment start and compounding. A thing to remember: a physician is delayed yes but their higher income lets them much more heavily invest as their income often exceeds life expenses by a lot more than median swe.

The median physician definitely earns more than $250K as well.

> and the higher pay later typically doesn’t make up for the massive debt and low pay early on.

It does, actually.

Physicians have high early career earnings. It’s not like grinding your way up the ladder until you get paid a lot.

Developers only make more if you only look at the very top end. Like a Stanford grad who goes straight to FAANG earning $200K the day after they graduate.

If you need to start accounting for those things you might consider adjusting for the risk of getting laid off as a tech worker .... I'd imagine it's far higher than for a medical professional.

I think the problem is that physicians are self-selected to be highly intelligent and driven individuals. Med school is not at all a walk in the park, and is very competitive.

You cannot compare the median physician who endured the years of grueling med school and residency to an average developer. FAANG is probably a more apt comparison.

Yea; not even close in the USA. There are exceptions like SV high-salaried tech jobs compared to pediatrician, but generally MDs make much more than software engineers and similar.

I agree, but it’s amazing how many times I’ve heard variations of this repeated as truth.

Developer compensation talk always gets biased toward top companies and high cost areas. The median developer or even top 10% developer isn’t living in the Bay Area working at FAANG, but that’s what gets talked about.

> Developer compensation talk always gets biased toward top companies and high cost areas. The median developer or even top 10% developer isn’t living in the Bay Area working at FAANG, but that’s what gets talked about.

That's what should be talked about in comparison to doctors. A FAANG position is comparable to the level of effort, competition, and accomplishment involved in becoming a doctor.

On the other hand, the "median healthcare professional" (counting only those requiring a college education) is a registered nurse, and that's the healthcare profession most comparable to the median developer in education, competition, and income.

I don't think I or 90% of my colleagues at Facebook, Google, or Apple could have cut it if we had tried being physicians. Even Staff at a FAANG is a joke compared to making it all the way through med school, residency, and so on.

It is unfortunately true. Sr/Staff making a tech salary outearns all but the most specialized doctors. Even if you exclude FAANG that's true (other companies have to offer FAANG salaries to get FAANG talent).

You have to be living in a VHCOL to get that, but if you make >$300k TC you are outearning most doctors.

Very few software engineers make more than $300k a year. That's top ~1%.

> You have to be living in a VHCOL to get that, but if you make >$300k TC you are outearning most doctors.

Damn really? Years ago I saw a post of someone asking for advice. They had been offered two positions on in SF at ~$500,000 another in Minnesota at $300,000. Granted they were an anesthesiologist, but a few years back I met a doctor in a bar (lol) and they were telling me you can clear half a million as a GP if you're willing to work in rural states with a big shortage.

You got exactly what you voted for. The left is pro censorship now. From political correctness to deplatforming, to right speech to labeling things misinformation to forgetting my body my choice when Covid came along. This is the natural end of wokism.

You're getting downvoted for the factual inaccuracy of your statement. The party in control of government in the United States has gone to extraordinary lengths to chill free speech. From overt viewpoint discrimination for broadcast television to banning press outlets critical of the administration, to deporting people in legal statuses for political speech, there is no modern parallel by any other political party. The right wing's support for free speech has enormously fallen.

Or you could give them an option of treatment instead of jail.

I never understood why people would bring their phones in public. From getting stolen, lost or broken to the tracking and border accessing your social media accounts, personal photos and bank information it makes very little sense when no one actual calls anyone anymore.

YouTube sponsor segments are not subtle “place a Coke can facing the camera” integrations. They are dedicated ad segments with scripted (typically by the advertiser) promotions, often entirely unrelated to the video or channel.

To the end user they are indistinguishable from other video ads on the platform except the ad read is often (not always) done by the creator.

I don’t have hard data on the ratio but it’s not uncommon for a 10 minute video to have 1-2 minutes of full-interrupt ad segments embedded in the video.

Everyone has a paypal account in America fewer have Apple pay.

What to do next wait for the review to finish (or some longer timeframe has passed) if you are unhappy with the results then you can bring this to a lawyer.

Is it legal, yes it's in your terms? They are verifying its not a scam and not money laundering.

"If it takes longer it will affect our brand identity since it financially blocks us."

Look into additional payment providers you should at least have paypal checkout already on your site.

In the 60s/70s they had the world is going into another ice age scare. Based on historical patterns we are in a cooling phase based on Milankovitch cycles. A long slow cooling phase going into another ice age. You can't blame the Koch brothers.

> they had the world is going into another ice age scare.

They did, didn't they! Not in the bulk of scientific discussion though, just in media outlets, broadsheets, opinion columns, etc.

It does rather sound like somebody bought into the Koch / Heartland propaganda stream whole heartedly.

Hopefully commenters can bring up "the little ice age" et al. so we can all play denialist talking point bingo.

So the Koch brothers came up with the Milankovitch cycles. Even though it was proposed in 1842 by Joseph Adhémar then in 1860 James Croll added orbital theory in 1911 Milutin Milankovitch came up with the math.

The big event that caused it to come into pop culture in the 70s was a landmark paper by James Hays, John Imbrie and Nicholas Shackleton, published in Science in 1976.

But you think its the Koch brothers. And anyone who actual knows history is playing denialist bingo.

You've won the hacker news Candace Owens conspiracy award for ignoring facts and doubling down on a silly conspiracy theory because it fits some narrative you want to promote today.

That's not what the poster above said. Go posture somewhere else.

> So the Koch brothers came up with the Milankovitch cycles.

No.

> But you think its the Koch brothers

That's your strawman. What is known is the amount of effort put in by Koch and others to muddy the waters and belittle what became accepted internationally in the late 1960s.

> You've won the hacker news Candace Owens conspiracy award

Is that someone I should know of?

> for ignoring facts

What facts have I ignored?

> and doubling down on a silly conspiracy theory

What, that tobacco companies hired PR firms to make their poison look good, and fossil fuel companies hired more or less the exact same firms to upsell CO2 ?

That's on the record for anyone that cares to look.

> because it fits some narrative you want to promote today.

It's been the case for nigh on 50 years now - hardly a flash in pan here today gone tomorrow made up story.

Windows does mklink. Not surprised with git.

Flock won't help protect your shovel. No one is getting flagged for being in an area they don't live when you report missing lawn art. Its used for more serious crimes and to build a map that tracks where everyone goes, when and combined with your cell data who you are.

You personal benefit nothing and lose privacy of movement.

For most people it means nothing until it does.