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> when the bubble bursts, and it will, we will suddenly be left with millions of people thoroughly deskilled who will be useless. lots of reeducation needed, and lots of people will just be left behind.

what do you mean by this, that costs will become too high and people won't afford it? hardware won't go up in smoke "when the bubble bursts"


People won't be left without AI/LLMs. They'll be left with less value in their investments. The tech is here to stay, the market discovering the actual commercial value of these products won't change that.

maybe collapse in valuation, collapse in demand? I don't see that happening any time soon, it's too useful, idk how anyone can contest it is useful and not just hype.

most people who care about legality don't work in that field either. whoever gets into this probably starts by being ok with doing shady stuff, I imagine.

Many start in the military and eventually move to private sector. However, an ever growing percentage just straight up go to college to learn the skills.

Cyber companies are in the fortune 100 now, and it's not like it used to be back when you actually had to be interested in it and dedicate your life to learning the skillz from shady forums. Now it's just a job to most practitioners.


what use are 0-days to private cybersecurity companies?

Probably extremely useful for the companies that can sell exploits to state governments.

Huge marketing/PR benefit.

Yes, but also there is also a huge value to individual contributors and their careers. I broke into the field after landing a few relatively high profile CVE acknowledgements for big companies. Responsible disclosure is good for your career.

On the other hand, if the value of that drops you can expect to see some folks start taking the wrong path.


Plenty of people in this space who work on entirely legal things

> “Some days he’s in VR more than he’s out of it. He’d even try to sleep there, but the headset made it hard to get comfortable.”

ah, truly a problem that needs to be fixed.

wth does it even mean to "sleep in VR"?


Don't ask me why/how, but some people do in fact sleep with a VR headset on. I've managed to get my hands on the Steam Frame, so naturally I started developing native software for it, and also joined a bunch of communities, and learning about a lot of new stuff I wasn't aware of since before.

Apparently a bunch of people hang out in a VR application called "VRChat" which is essentially the "Metaverse" Zuckerberg wanted to and failed to build. It's basically "video conference call for friends group on steroids", with custom avatars, full body tracking and a bunch of stuff. Apparently, some of these people who use this a lot, also sometimes "sleep together" in the game, wearing the headset, sometimes in public places, or wherever. Other people also seemingly put some calm background + music/tones and sleep to that, while wearing the headset.

Again, I've never done this myself, have no idea about the long-term effects (psychological or physically [the eyes?!]), but at least I hope this explains what "sleep in VR" would mean for many of the ones that do that.


but they sleep with their eyes closed right? I mean I can maybe understand the body tracking in the VR world but why in the world would I keep the headset on if my eyes are closed?

I assume most people sleep with their eyes closed, yes. Just like "having your eyes closed in a sleeping bag on the ground" counts as "sleeping under the stars" even if you don't actively look at the stars while sleeping, I guess the same goes for "VR sleeping".

I guess it matters too what the first/last thing you see when waking up/falling asleep. But again, never done this, can't say for sure.


They VR to be woken up. The headset has become their reality. Who are you to say otherwise?

Look I'm not perfect, I doom scroll quite a bit, play video games but compared to what you are saying apparently I'm only smoking cigarettes when others are on an IV of heroin.

Just that, sleeping while in some VR world. There are plenty of "sleep with me" VRChat worlds (without the eroticism)

software businesses are not like watches (recently saw a youtube video about fakes being made virtually identical at 10% of the price).

If you can make a facebook clone it doesn't mean you can steal facebook's lunch. there are exceptions of course.


Right, but your example presumes tpdays facebook market. Im presuming todays market where people are feeding all their ideas to a third party, much like how open source software is pilfered and turned into business ventures.

Now even if you want your idea to compete with all the other todo apps with your special sauce, youre giving a third party your recipe. That third party ostensibly has no reason to steal it, their business model does.

So, sure, if your app is a cult of personality and nothing special, i admit it doesnt matter.

But the number of software home runs is dwarfed by all other auccess on individual products


Why would OAI or anthropic care to steal your Todo app with 10k of revenue a month when they are spending billions?

At their scale I'd expect it to be only worth stealing potential home runs and even so, imagine they did this a couple of times, how would that make them look? Do you think it would be worth the bad blood and mass exodus that would follow?


Then what? math, the kind LLMs are making "obsolete" is a pursuit unlike any other. What other field would tickle the kind of mind attracted by math the same way? I doubt they went into it for the money.

Robot monks aren't replacing humans yet, even if their traditional crafts (brewing etc.) could be automated.

Human-crafted religious items and artwork may be more appealing than machine-crafted replicas.


> I doubt they went into it for the money.

I assumed the student ultimately wants a career that is financially viable.

> Then what?

Literally anything else?


It's like asking a budding pro basketball player to.. go study machine learning

Worked for budding pro football player John Urschel

Literally what else? Either you believe the future is AI + Humans, in which case most professions are open to you or you don’t in which case almost none are.

Ironically, this very attitude could lead to AI creating one of the biggest slowdowns in progress in history.


> in which case almost none are

It's this one, but different careers will diminish at different rates. Mathematics was already not financially well rewarded, and current AI is basically better than everyone in the field.

> this very attitude could lead to AI creating one of the biggest slowdowns in progress in history

I think there are enough young people with pre-AI experience that we'll probably develop superintelligence before they retire, so I don't really think a near-term lack of fresh talent will result in any significant slowdown.


What would you study? Current AI is basically better than everyone in every field. Have you tried the latest models?

> we'll probably develop superintelligence before they retire.

That ship has sailed:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/09/inau...


> Mathematics was already not financially well rewarded,

Then why are frontier labs ploughing millions into racing human math researchers when they're already cash-strapped? What's the ROI for that?


It’s good marketing because people perceive mathematicians as the smartest of the smart.

Why are you sure it's really helpful for some people?

Before psychology you had religion, even in the oldest form of Christianity, orthodoxy, you are not too dwell on the past, not to blaim others.

I doubt it really truly helps anyone to dig up the past


Logged in just to say, for me reaching into my past has been one of the most transformative and healing acts I've ever done.

I have a friend, next alcoholic, she was recently reading through her old journals to try to figure out her life. What happened? She told me that she had a really strong impulse to start drinking again.

In my opinion, you gain nothing from looking at trauma or trying to see some psychological way to get out of it. The only cure is to forget about it.


Extrapolating from a single anecdote seems like poor judgment.

Why is this complicated? If you can’t remember the trauma, how can you suffer from it?

Now we may have behaviors that were shaped by our trauma, but remembering our trauma, what does that do but reinforce the memory again and there force reinforce our trauma response?

All that has to be done is focus on your present date and your present reaction examine if that’s dysfunctional or not.


>Why is this complicated? If you can’t remember the trauma, how can you suffer from it?

Because trauma affixes neutal pathways. You don't have to remember it to be affected, at all.


If you find a bug in your code does it matter who is to blame? Is it useful to remember you had a fight with your wife the day you committed it?

Does a car mechanic need a video of the crash to fix the car?


The correct analogy here would be that if you notice your program repeatedly acting incorrectly in the same way, you trace the execution path.

Past trauma can often be the root.

Failing to recognize it and reprogram that part of your brain leads to patching over symptoms, which... causes other issues.

Where this breaks down for some people -- not everyone has trauma, or at least severe enough trauma to need to deal with it.

Some people act like assholes because they were hurt when they were young. Others act like assholes because that's just how they decided to act.


The human brain is neither computer nor automobile.

> If you find a bug in your code does it matter who is to blame?

If you want to fix the code, you need to go to the right line.


How much of that is pseudoscience?

None of it, this has been common knowledge for decades.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6428430/

https://aifs.gov.au/resources/practice-guides/effect-trauma-...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3968319/

Adding to this, trauma extends to multiple generations:

"Intergenerational influences of paternal combat-related trauma on offspring behavioral and brain function"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235228952...

"Exposure of Men to PTSD-Promoting Trauma Elevates Levels of Sperm miRNAs with Anxiety and Depression-Inducing Activities"

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.64898/2026.04.22.720211v1...


Combined with N<20 and a definition of trauma that means literally any experience, we might be able to get a preprint published claiming trauma cures cancer as well.

It really depends. If those are your best memories, sure - that works and actually helps to even go back to things you enjoyed as a teen - this btw, has been as an positive example for people that struggle with depression.

But if those are destructive memories, that you want to return to and that are at the base of your misery, then no - that is absolutely worst thing to return to, as there is nothing you can change there and the things that are affecting you are coming from that already. So, pretty much this is the reason why it is important for kids to have stable normal life.


tutorials are probably less than 0.1% of the training data compared to actual code, or you mean average project is influenced by basic tutorials?


Tutorials are often written in an imperative style that's a little like prompt injection. There's a lot more writing out there on "how to make a todo app demo" than for the complex shit.


There's a lot of AI hate these predictions aren't taking into account


That the CCP doesn't have input in this, which is the most important tech in history, which could be more dangerous than even nukes, is naive.

Maybe because there is enough given away that there's a lot of competition they may let other companies do whatever they want but to think the CCP isn't managing this is insane to me


The CCP could have input, if they chose to. Currently they choose not to. There is no party consensus that AI is the most important tech (Xi Jinping cares more about the "real economy," i.e. manufacturing) and there definitely is no consensus on whether models should be open-weight or not. If consensus ever emerges, companies that bet on the wrong horse will get cracked down on, just like AI companion products got cracked down on recently.


You may be right but you are speculating as much as I or anyone on this topic.

I find it hard to believe the decision to open source any chinese model wasn't approved or heavily considered by the CCP.


Do you think there was a model a company wanted to keep closed, but the government ordered them to release weights? Conversely, of the closed-weight models, do you think there were any models the company wanted to make open, but the government ordered them to only offer API access? Because if you think the government always approved what companies were planning to do anyway, that's compatible with what I mean by "choosing not to provide input."


"Currently they choose not to."

I hope the source of this information was well cleaned this morning.


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