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These sentiments are essentially a rough paraphrasing of One Up on Wall Street (published 17 years ago) [0] with crass language added "for the fucking effect!"

[0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/762462.One_Up_On_Wall_St...


President Obama visited Moscow as he met with President Medvedev and President Putin.

This is at least innacurate.


Accurate how? At the time Medvedev was President of Russia, and Putin was Prime Minister. Since he was President before that, it's ok for him to be referred as President, like any former President of country.


The convention of referring to an ex president as President is peculiar to United States presidents, AFAIK.


It can also mean that he met with (then) President Medvedev and (now, as of writing) President Putin


No, we have the same in Poland, former presidents are still referenced as president (e.g. president Walesa or as mr president).


It’s also done in France.


That's why this is a work of an aspiring designer, not an (apple) product designer: can someone point to a motherboard with 16 dedicated thunderbolts, such many lanes of PCIE, and answer why should 850 evos be used instead modern M.2 SSDs? The coolers/fans are OFF - they're not positioned above the GPUs, but above SSDs (which produce almost no heat at all), and the SSDs themselves are located around the thermal core triangles, why? And GPUs are facing opposite directions, therefore, air streams are broken. I know I've shouldn't be pissed that much by a stupid render, but this person could dedicate his time to make something meaningful and smart. Instead, he's just pushing the dribbblisation of the design forward. My call: this is stupid, meaningless work


Can you elaborate?


Don't want to be a downer, but after many years (15+) a software developer, I'm pretty sure I should have gone to business/economic school.

A few things that spring to mind:

a) badly paid compared to the value produced (still better paid than teachers)

b) ageism in the industry

c) the developer ego's (in general) for some reason are over the top, making it impossible for people to have normal discussing about various topics (you can see it here in HN) almost as bad as discussing politics

d) the next best biggest greatest thing being discovered every 2 months by 20 year olds that just discovered something from the 70's and you still have to pretend to be enthusiastic about it for networking/job interviews

e) sexism in the industry

f) in general, a sense of immaturity both on the development/architectural side, but also on a personal level in most places/conferences

g) networking has more to do with success than actual skills, at least in business school you learn that from the get go

Maybe I'm just getting old and want to scream at kids to get off my lawn.


Good list. If people still don't understand why experienced developers only want to work with other experienced (grownup?) developers: exhibits a-g


Hi

The worst of it all, I'm 32 (been working professionally since I was 16, and programming as a hobby since 11). I'm not supposed to be an old timer complaining about 'kids these days' but sure feels like it!

I'm actually working with a very nice team which until today at least, haven't exhibited any of the signs above, but all the other 14 years have been in situations like that.


and what career do you think "business/economics" would have led to, and what do you think it would have paid?


I can't edit my other reply so just going to do a new one.

One of the biggest eye openers I had as a developer and how I was being 'exploited' was when doing work for a consulting firm, the ceo of the company asked me to pick a open source app, change the logo and a few other things (2 days work), and the next day he presented the app as one of his 'business solutions' to some big shots (talking airports and big media companies) and was able with that to sell around 1.2 million euros in consulting services by demoing the open-source app and claiming a lot of the credit for that app. This is something as a developer I still cringe and would probably feel like I would need a bleach bath to clean myself but seems to be day-to-day from people that have MBA's or business/finance education.


I'm not complaining about my career by itself (I make good money), but it is still quite a few magnitudes lower than what I see my peers in business/finance making around here, and to top it off, seeing how their networks work is also something most developers never would think of using/tapping into. From easy entry to schools for their kids, to privileged access to clubs and activities (sorry, I don't know the correct translation for what I mean)


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