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I suspect it will go further: imagine giving an mp3 to LLM to clean up some noise. It detects it was illegally downloaded from youtube, deletes it and automatically fines you via attached credit card.


Perhaps but no indication of that so far. Agents are happy to set up *arr stacks today.


They could be happy to assist you with a task that they also then flag and forward to authorities, especially if their assistance doesn't break the law but has evidence of you doing so.


You mean forward to the copyright holder or more likely a copyright troll who paid the copyright holder for the right to represent him as lawyer.


Sure, and they could be a front for space aliens choosing who to abduct. Anything is possible!


Ooo, have you read any articles on that happening? I missed them! Given that this is specifically a comment chain in a discussion about them working with authorities, that they'd work with authorities hardly seems like science fiction.


We have weaker versions of this already.

I had to move some games from C:\Games\RandomWarezGroup\GameName to my Steam directory, because Claude refused to reverse engineer an asset format due to piracy being incredibly immoral and illegal and blah blah.


It’s trivial to bypass this by saying something like you’re the games developer trying to track down cracking groups

But it sure is annoying


It's a minor annoyance for now, you can pretty easily convince an LLM of almost anything with a plausible-sounding reason.

The issue is when Anthropic flips a switch and instead of telling me "no" it calls the report-super-dangerous-crime tool.


I'll be glad for open models when the day (inevitably) comes that the proprietary LLMs no longer work in my interests.


> LLMs no longer work in my interests

As articles like these show, cloud-based LLMs don't work in your interest today.


Is it in someone's best interest to let them die in a shootout?


Level 1:

Have you ever thought of doing something you wouldn't be proud of, and then not actually acted on that thought?

If so, or if you can imagine a journal or always-listening assistant hearing your muttering thought. Should you be charged with a crime for that? Who is the victim and what are the damages?

Level 2, the slippery slope:

Suppose you travel to a country where your sexual orientation is illegal. If your AI company or social media provider knows your orientation, should they be compelled to reveal your crime? Why or why not?


> Have you ever thought of doing something you wouldn't be proud of, and then not actually acted on that thought?

This - specifically with a shooting, is basically the plot of The Drama (film) from earlier this year.

No AI in the movie plot though.


That it's a tough line to define doesn't mean there isn't a line, unfortunately.


For them to die in the shootout, you have to assume there was actual intent to execute said shooting.


"According to the arrest report, a user identified as Carli made a statement on Sept. 26 saying she was going to 'shoot up' the Lee County Sheriff’s Office. Investigators say the same user made another statement the following day saying she had gotten a new gun."

At a certain point, intervention seems appropriate. This meets my personal threshold, and I'd hope a friend would do something if they came across that in my journal.


Unless it becomes a requirement to be licensed to be able to use any kind of ai model. You know, for safety and stuff. And of course with appropriate reporting to institutions.


There’s no recognized inalienable right to keep and bear models/GPUs.


That day was yesterday. LLMs from big tech regularly refuse to do what you want.


I heard an ad on the radio this morning from the local Internet support/WordPress/website developer/seo company that they've moved from seo into astroturfing for _LLM_ input. They advertised that they'll make sure you're company is the one that gets returned and trusted when other companies search the web via agent. If this works for agentic search, it probably works for _training_ as well, so good luck finding an open LLM that's been trained to follow your interests. Has there been any research into whether/how much LLMs are more likely to recommend companies whose names they saw in training over similar but smaller or newer command also returned in search results? Given how well advertising works on people, I can't imagine that it _doesn't_ work on LLMs too.


Ask it how to evade astroturfing.


Wouldn't they have to fine themselves first?


They were fined for their illegal downloading. More than a credit card limit.


And dramatically lower than their expected value from the copyrighted material they scraped


Or worse: downloading a picture of pirate ship and without any concern for the copyright asking the LLM to make a coloring page for your kid. BTW Chatgpt does that way better than Claude


Hey but you’ll be allowed to file a response that will also go to an LLM and deny you automatically. And you will be charge a NSE fee (no sufficient explanation).


The real alignment problem they are trying to solve is: how can I make this super smart AI follow my orders.


The "nested reality" twist was already used by the "13th floor" movie so perhaps they intentionally choose a different direction.


Many companies put LLM chatbots on their websites and let them hallucinate at will. General recklessness is very much in spirit of this tech.


Many Humans have platforms reaching hundreds of millions of people, from which they broadcast whatever batshit insane nonsense a 3 inch chimp brain can come up with. Why isnt that considered reckless?

Whether its a politician, a general, religious leader, judge, ceo, stand up comic etc there are hardly any consequences if enough people believe whatever crap they are spouting. Human intelligence is highly over rated. History books are fully of evidence that human rationality is bounded. And the only way we overcome those limitations, blindspots, biases etc is by watching others faceplant in bloody painful ways that it leaves a permanent mark on that little chimp brain we have been given to process the universe.


Those crazy humans don't have simultaneous parallel conversations with a zillion people at once though.

They also don't get a presumption of objectivity.

> A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequila.

-- Mitch Ratcliffe


Interesting, if ultrasound effects the brain, then maybe specific pattern could be used to non-destructively stimulate it?


There's Ultrasound DBS Deep Brain Stimulation.

/? ultrasound brain stimulation: https://www.google.com/search?q=ultrasound+brain+stimulation

There's ultrasound for Alzheimer's, which may not be about Amyloid Tau;

"Improving Cognition Without Clearing Amyloid: Effects of Tau and Ultrasound Neuromodulation" (2024) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.3233/JAD-240616 ... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1746486614029868186...

Also, Beta-Cyclodextrin apparently reverses atherosclerosis in the body and brain - by "absorbing" sugar-alcohol FWIU - and it's already approved but we don't know what dose is low enough to be safe.


Oh, the irony of writing an angry post about benefits of anger.


You must have accomplished a lot since you seem to focus on anger rather than substance. Did I disturb your calm.


Many open source efforts seem to belong to this category as well.


Some time ago I stumbled onto a bizzare "Peter Thiel on Political Theology" Tyler Cowen episode. Of Course Cowen is on this list.


If this argument was as solid as you say, then all routine checks would be pointless.

I don't know about traditional blood testing, but a permanent implant which checks HR, pressure, glucose, temperature & oxidation would be pretty useful, not necessarily to diagnose anything, but to provide data for doctor when patient has actual symptomps.


They kind of are. Spain doesn't have yearly physicals, and during a GP visit, they don't even take your blood pressure. Blood tests are extremely uncommon, unlike in British medicine, where they take your blood pressure every time and blood tests are so prevalent people usually request one from time to time despite having no symptoms. Spain's example showed the above (or the lack of) doesn't increase all-cause mortality and even excelling in longevity statistics.

https://www.rieti.go.jp/en/columns/a01_0455.html This japanese article found "No clear-cut evidence exists to determine whether undergoing health checks leads to greater longevity and/or lower medical expenditures."


Several published papers agree. There is in fact little evidence to support regular checkups if you’re asymptomatic.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31642821/

And blood pressure is especially pernicious, basically every doctors office measures it wrong so the results aren’t particularly useful. Many use the wrong size cuff for example, or don’t give people time to relax before a reading. A ton of people have white coat hypertension, high BP only because they’re in a doctors office.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1120072/

I saw a paper that showed only 36% of cardiologists did it right.


Math does indeed make for solid arguments. If you want to make a counterargument then you have to address their math, which you didn't.


Coal margarine, this protein powder and some vitamins, I wonder how long human could survive on such "diet".


Our cats and dogs live on such a diet (until you learn what the supermarket cat/dogfood really is and take them off it). Vets have been saying about all those health problems resulting from that diet.


60kg of coal per 1kg of butter. You need about 3kg of meal for 1kg of chicken. 1.7kf of feed per 1kg of edible crickets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_proces...


I believe that they made the "butter" out of the leftovers (paraffin) from making liquid fuel out of the coal. So, its not a straight 60:1 ratio, you'd need to add some more products to the equation.


I just think it's pretty amazing.


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