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Same name, but the company is quite different. What of that old Google is left now?

This is an interesting question to ask of any company. Every company over a long period is a Ship of Theseus. Google started out as a rowboat and now it is an ocean liner.

Investment in product quality, "Don't be evil", everything that set a company apart and allowed it to rise, it lasts only as long as it is preserved in a way that resists decay.

Is there anything left of the rowboat? I'm at the point where I am actively trying to shut Google out of my life to the degree that it is possible. And yet it is still not Microsoft. I catch a glimmer of the old google in a product release now and then.


To quote Christopher Nolan: “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

Fun fact, according to C-Nol himself, his brother (Jonathan Nolan) wrote that line

And as a reminder to folks he's the writer of (the newer era) Westworld which if you haven't seen the full first season really turns into an incredible mind bender

That show should have died the hero, i.e. after season one.

S2 was reasonably OK, IMO. But that was it. And all their talk of having a fantastic entire story laid out right from the start? I don't believe a word of it. There's no way they had thought up Rehobaum or whatever it was called back when they started work on S1.

Also creator of and writer on Person of Interest, which had an okay first season but gradually got amazing in later seasons, following a roughly inverted arc from Westworld.

Person of Interest was probably the first example of superintelligent AI that actually left me thinking that it could really happen (and with the conclusion that this was not a priori a good or bad thing).


I hear there's a janitor using the handle of one of the original paddles as a mop handle.

It's only there because it wasn't inventoried and so not lost in the purge.


The last two words of their old motto "don't be evil"

I'm still calling the axing of Google Reader the jump the shark moment!

only the 2 founders, which seems have become quite out of touch lately

"The United Nations is a transparently antisemitic organisation" - Google Co Founder

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/07/08/sergey-...



Trying to defeat a badly designed tax that even the Democrats aren’t aligned is evidence of him being a bad person? I think you can probably do better.

Buying influence erodes democracy.

$100m (focused on a single issue!) buys a lot of influence.

It's a problem that extends far beyond this one example, but this one example is a good example.


Yes, actively working against "wealth tax" while you're wealthy, does indeed make you a bad person. A good person realize they're ahead of others, and try to help them rise as well, even if it means less wealth for them. It's called "greed" if you're looking for a specific name of this concept.

It took me a while to learn that giving money to the government isn't the highest form of good, despite also being a necessity to some degree. In fact I'm not even sure if it could make the top 10 of best ways to give money. But trust me when I was younger I definitely acted in that belief.

Like greedy Brin here has donated around $4B to charity that has gone to all manner of public good. Philanthropic organizations like his tend to be pretty efficient with getting good bang for their buck.

Had he given it to the government, which I'm sure you would call reason for celebration, well some of it would have gone to helping people directly, but most would have gone into protracted bureaucracy where just the rind ends up at the final objective. I'm actually pretty sure you yourself could write a decent list of government expenses that you would not want that money to go to.

In fact if you wrote a list of things that you would like it to go to, I'm pretty confident it would have very high overlap with what Brin does give to.

So what again are we trying to call out here? He's greedy?


> Like greedy Brin here has donated around $4B to charity that has gone to all manner of public good.

$4B out of $250B = +1.6% tax rate

And total over all years, not annual.

So no, charity fig leaf doesn't cover being a dick and fighting a meaningful wealth tax.


> In fact if you wrote a list of things that you would like it to go to, I'm pretty confident it would have very high overlap with what Brin does give to.

Alright, lets give it a try:

- Wealth Tax

- Taxes of all sorts and kinds

What percentage of overlap do we have? I have a feeling it's zero.

> So what again are we trying to call out here? He's greedy?

We're trying to call out that working against a wealth tax because it'd impact you personally (since you're wealthy), is greedy behavior and greed is generally something most humans want to reduce, just like most of us wants less violence. We call people who favor greed and violence "bad people".


Nah the actual bad people are the people calling for the tax, who are primarily motivated by populist resentment of the visibly successful, and who don't have a good sense of what the actual problems in society are or how to actually fix them.

The worse part is that it wasn't driven by populist resentment, it was cynical utilization of populist resentment as a cudgel to extort the governor: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/seiu-delenda-est

Again, it’s a bad tax. Judge this on the merits, not merely on the fact that it’s a wealth tax and therefore good prima facie.

Ok, so it might need iterations. Lets implement it, then fix it once live? Nothing is ever set completely in stone.

Out of ~40 million people in California, the impact of this tax seems to be about ~250 individuals. If they were considering users of their products and services, wouldn't that amount of users compared to the entire user base, be considered almost a rounding error?


It’s a tax, not a casual game app.

The quality of argumentation here. “Wealth tax therefore good” “just pass it even though it’s shitty, who cares.”

How many bad laws are on the books and now it’s nearly impossible to claw them back?


what's your rank on forbes top billionaires?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44521137

It was dismaying to see this flagged so fast. When I reached out to the moderators about it they felt that it should remain flagged for reasons that seemed dubious and inconsistent imho.


He's right.

Well, no.

Semites are also e.g. Arabs. It comes from linguistic science and denotes people speaking Hebraic, Arabic or new-Aramaic languages. Look up the philologist August Ludwig von Schlözer who coined the term if that is new to you.

Also, criticizing a country is something very normal.

When one criticizes the Japan of 1930 to 1945 ... was this anti-zen? Or anti-nipponic? Or was it about their government?

When one criticizes the Syria of 1971-1924 ... what this anti-islamistic? Or anti-arabic? Or was it about their government, specifically their dictator?

When one criticizes the Israel of recent times ... is this anti-jewish? Or anti-semitic? Or is it about their government and various movements in said country?

It's only when we criticize the Israel government that suddenly people intermix politics with religion. And also with belonging to long extinct tribe groups. Or that they blame e.g. a synagogue congregation in Denmark with human-right violations of Israel settlers. Suddenly people stop being able to differentiate.

I see that there are countries that are anti-jewish (like Iran). And Persians aren't Semites, so maybe they are also anti-semitic, I can't judge this. But neither Iran nor Yemen or other puppet-organizations like the Hezbollah rule the UN. I'm quite sure that they can't even nudge the UN.

So claiming that the UN is anti-semitic is un-factional. I have seen zero evidence, and the people claiming this haven't brought up any evidence. The most they can bring up is that some UN sub-organization doesn't do the exact bidding of the current Israel government. Or that some UN sub-organization has the occasional mole or spy amongst them ... but hey, I don't want to know how many organizations have the odd moles or spy from the Mossad in them. That doesn't make them wholly israel-controlled.


Not just out of touch, but downright psychopathic in my opinion. I used to greatly admire Larry Page. He seemed like a really smart, driven, level-headed guy. When the news came out that he was basically fine with AI wiping out humanity, as it would just be the natural evolution of intelligence, and to fight against that would be "speciesist", all I good think was "what a psycho".

And I really don't think I'm exaggerating Page's opinion on this, though I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.


Incredible back story here if I can trust Gemini on this as that dates back to over 10 years ago when Musk accused Larry Page of being too obsessed with bringing about AI and hence co-founds OpenAI... the irony of course being that OpenAI raced ahead while Google has been conservative

I'm willing to bet he's speciesist in relation to actual, existing species of other animals

Extreme wealth seems to cook people's brains.

Counter point - accumulating extreme wealth seems to require a cooked brain. I genuinely believe that level headed people are unable to reach more than a few million in accumulated wealth as they'll clearly see how much more that money would benefit others compared to themselves.

Counter counter point - we've constructed a society that provides excess rewards to people with cooked brains and antisocial behavior

There is a theory that the industrial and information revolutions rewarded certain types of neurodiversity more than what you was natural, I think that is entirely plausible.

While some of those traits may be prone to antisocial behavior, given the right social cooking conditions, they are also natural so I don't think people with those traits shouldn't be considered "cooked" from from brith either.

There are also seemingly neurotypical people who win the lottery and get cooked, I think it mostly comes from alienation because wealth changes how others around you act.


I think I'm with the other commenter on this one. It's a fundamental truth that only a rare, and very off-kilter, personality will earn their first $100m dollars and think "Gosh, I need more money!" Then continue working long hours to become billionaires despite already having enough to retire to a private island with a full time maid and butler or spend their life on philanthropy.

To these people it starts to feel obvious that Ayn Rand was right, because Ayn Rand would have agreed with them. They come to feel that they were rewarded because they are more righteous than others, and they are more righteous than others because they were rewarded. Capitalism becomes a religion, rather than a means to an end and money becomes it's own goal instead of a symbolic token that represents real wealth. The piece of paper is now worth more than the things it can buy.

Eventually, due to the broken feedback loop that social order was meant to provide but no longer does, they lose the common moral boundaries that tie them to other men completely and become a special kind of sociopath.


I think some basic versions of both motors and circuits are 3d printable now. I doubt good enough for driving a reprap, but perhaps later.


Supposedly "the answer" is a discarded engine block: https://makezine.com/article/maker-news/patdelany/

"Open Source Muti-Machine": The heavy, ultra-stiff mass of the cast iron dampens vibrations and forces the cutting tool to move in a perfectly straight, micron-accurate line dictated by the factory-bored cylinders.

Ask an AI about it, but conceptually it's an amazing concept. There are probably billions of "nearly micron-accurate" machines, and if you're 1000% repeatable 90° then the world is (eventually) your oyster.


Best guess is that it's disabled for anything but track/trick stuff. There will be some cool videos eventually showing up with tricks people pull with this. I don't know what else it's for.

I can imagine the lateral thrusters helping it turn faster on the track. Although I wonder if the extra weight is going to net out positive for lap times.

But really, a few very rich people will buy the full-rocket version to impress their friends. They'll play with them on private property.


Solo track use at that. I can't imagine that other drivers are going to be all that happy if they get hit by the exhaust from one of the thrusters in a corner.


Gases dissipate very rapidly, even moreso if doing pulsing or whatever. Probably very unsafe for a human standing literally right behind it, but it'd likely have 0 effect on another car at typical driving distance.


Except for the bit where you can't see a thing.


Great idea to use something like that in a tunnel or a garage. Suffocation - no breathing ... and probably some blown doors/walls from the pressure


How are you going to suffocate when the thrusters are sending out compressed air?


Nitrogen, actually.


Car tunnels should be able to handle that level of bad gasses.


What bad gases? It is literally air. Do you see a lot of mechanics passing out in garages with all that compressed air being let loose?


They said "something like that" and I could easily see other outputs, especially nitrogen or some kind of combustion.


It looks like they are actually using nitrogen: https://youtube.com/watch?v=22rvpUecLts&t=1134s


Air is mostly nitrogen, about 80%. Pure oxygen as you might be thinking, would be quite dangerous - not only for long-term consumption but also in terms of its effects. Oxygen is fuel for fire so a 100% oxygen environment would quite create the pyrotechnic show! The 'white' you see from the exhaust isn't the exhaust itself - nitrogen is obviously colorless, but the moisture in the surrounding air freezing. It's going to be coming out quite chilly to keep the nitrogen liquified ( boiling temp of something like -196F).

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Whoa, was just watching the video (great link btw). People have been debating the specs, but they're shown unambiguously right here. [1] It has 95 kn peak thrust, 6g peak acceleration, pressure of 5500 PSI, and a min operating temp of -200F.

[1] - https://youtu.be/22rvpUecLts?t=1339


Of course air is mostly nitrogen. But if you replace 10% of the air with pure nitrogen you go into OSHA-angering levels of oxygen depletion, and if you replace 25-30% you get into serious danger.

Not easily achieved in a tunnel, but much more easily achieved in a garage.


10% of the air replaced with pure nitrogen would be 0.8 * 0.9 + 1.0 * 0.1 = 82% nitrogen, 18% oxygen. That's perfectly safe for brief exposure, which is all it would be before you return to ambient levels.

To create a dangerous scenario you've gotta do something like somehow gas out your entire tank in a garage and then just stand around for a while breathing it in. Kind of an improbable scenario unless somebody is trying a really weird suicide attempt.


The bigger tank apparently holds 250kg of air. That's about 200 cubic meters. A two car garage is likely less than 100 cubic meters.

You wouldn't need to dump nearly an entire tank of nitrogen to reach levels that are immediately dangerous. And oxygen deprivation makes you stupid well before it makes you pass out, with no "lack of air" panic since that is based on CO2 levels, so even when it would be survivable for a couple minutes you might not even think to escape.


The crash photos are going to be Darwin-award-worthy


I could see a safety feature where it launches itself into the air to avoid an imminent crash (providing the area above is free)


I suppose I can see this also. It sounds horrifying. A head on collision is a pretty terrible thing but having one of the cars suddenly fly 30 feet in the air and crashing into on coming traffic does not sound like a great option. Reminds me of the cybertruck "this would make the perfect post apocalyptic vehicle."


you might have a better chance of surviving that 30 foot launch than a head on collision with a pole or a semi truck. don't get me wrong it seems wildly impractical but there may be rare situations where it's useful. ejection seats on fighters frequently injured their pilot but that is better than being dead.


This whole thing is incredibly stupid and yet, people are bending over backwards to defend it. There is not a single traffic situation where the ability of a car to suddenly launch itself into the air doesn't have more downsides than it staying put. This includes overhead wiring, other people nearby, tunnels, bridges, overpasses, lampposts, traffic lights and other street furniture. With a little luck you will survive the impact of your toy when it lands but the party that you land on does not. People have a hard enough time predicting trajectories with everything constrained to 2D, if cars start jumping around like fleas that is not an improvement. From a standstill with other parties around you this is already a serious problem, if it were moving forward at highway speeds in traffic it would be utterly irresponsible to trigger this kind of launch.


What, you don’t think the solution to a situation with too much out-of-control kinetic energy is to inject a whole bunch more semi-randomly-directed kinetic energy?


You are delusional if you think more than one Rocket Roadster will be within miles of another one on a public road.


The image of a chain reaction of RRs popping up like popcorn when another appears to be about to land on it pretty hilarious, though.


You see, when you are about to have a crash, and you only have a few milliseconds to react, the best option is to put more energy into the event.


How about rockets towards the front of the vehicle to stop it?


As the saying goes: The more energy the goes into the crash, the better.


They’ll have a special edition with hypergolic propellants.


That depends on the landing zone being available in a way that's hard for the onboard safety system to predict. But if the car is, say, spinning out you could use these to restore stability or try to recover from the other sorts of disasters that overpowered cars can end up in even on clear roads.


The Rocket model should never spin out - traction control using thrusters should make it impossible.


The thrusters are primarily pointed rearward and to the ground. It's not capable of doing much at all for a flat spin, the typical scenario of a car spinning out


Incorrect - the Rocket trim (if it ever exists) has four thrusters pointed downward at the wheels for lift and they can rotate 180 degrees and two thrusters at the front pointing outward for use control.


once your wheels leave the road, its hard to slow down. Just getting to zero mph before flipping 100 times and rolling over would be immensely useful.


The car launching itself in the air would also launch anything in the road - debris, rocks, soil - at dangerous speeds in all directions.


What goes up...


That sounds like a surefire way to make a bad situation worse.


Perfect rich asshole vehicle. Add a ‘safety’ feature that wildly endangers everyone around you.


I think every buyer should receive a complimentary nomination for the award.


The award is reserved for people who actually died, you can only be nominated posthumously.


It’s just a matter of time before they win.


it's a show it was not in any way a production car, stop being that gullible people


If you have the ads turned off, it's a lot nicer. I got that with some family bundle for more Drive space.


Let me put it this way.

Youtube without ads is still worse than pretty much all the major streaming services with ads.

I don't want to pay for that.


>Youtube without ads is still worse than pretty much all the major streaming services with ads.

Depends on what you watch, as always. my YT feed is a mix of news, random gaming content, documentaries on a variety of topics, and odd little tech trivia. It covers all the bases at once.

Any other streaming service is simply "okay, maybe there's 1-2 shows on here I want to watch". Then I just pluck it onto my NAS and move about on my day. Why would I pay for a streaming service that struggles to even keep the few shows I like on there running past 1-2 seasons?

Nebula is the only other service I ever considered paying for. It's not a "Youtube killer" and misses out on a lot of the odd trivia sides of YT, but it overally feels more fleshed out on content than Netflix".


> Any other streaming service is simply "okay, maybe there's 1-2 shows on here I want to watch".

If there's even 1 show I want to watch, it's great to watch it. The problem with Youtube is even when they have stuff I want to watch, it's a pain to watch it. Their UI is atrocious!

> Why would I pay for a streaming service that struggles to even keep the few shows I like on there running past 1-2 seasons?

You just unsubscribe at that point.

Know how much stuff I had bookmarked on Youtube that is no longer available? A whole damn lot.


Maybe I'm missing something, but every video service Ui feels the same these days. Grid of videos with some loose sorting, click to play/pause, seek controls. I wouldn't call any of them good/bad on UI alone.


Or just watch Youtube on a laptop, and install an ad blocker.


Depends on the personality. Do you watch movies on a laptop?

For me, the big screen and ambience play a big role.


HDMI cables are cheap. The best roku is a 30ft HDMI cable.

Actually I've used the steam deck in this role a bunch, works great.


For the big screen, I have another tiny PC and a wireless keyboard.


If there's some cost or availability question you have, AWS has some complicated bullshit to solve the problem for you. Check out reserved instances.


Imagine if all the energy spent whining on the purity of a system being insufficiently private or decentralized or somehow loyal to a fight against the man, was spent instead on actually improving those systems. They're open source.


The system I'm complaining about is Google forms, not any open-source software project. I cannot actually improve it because I am not Google.


IIRC IPFS was the latest in a long line of Distributed Content-Addressed systems that long predate crypto. AFAICT (obviously I wasn't paying much attention) they went crypto (FileCoin) to fund a base population of storage users to bootstrap its popularity.

But that didn't pan out.


Probably contention on databases.


This is essentially guaranteed. There are lots of useful smaller models that we should be able to run locally. Over time they'll be more and more capable and require less API usage.


Im wondering if we are finally seeing the end of the "hard disk" era, and are entering a new era of vast instant on systems.


You're getting downvoted because your argument is cosmetic, egotistical, and useless. Can you give an objective separation between design flaws and engineering details? One that has zero ambiguity: if I give 100 engineers your criteria and then ask them to categorize 100 different points against it, would give exactly the same results? And would that distinction actually correlate to a historical analysis of programming languages' effects on software project success metrics?

No, because the entire distinction falls apart pretty quickly into "shit I like to discuss and care about" and "shit I don't care about and don't want to talk about."

Systems programming lives and dies by the details you want to ignore. The economics of large software production are mildly affected by language design. But weaknesses there are easily overcome with engineering practices and additional tooling. Almost every complaint about C++ safety I've ever heard hasn't been a problem for me for decades, because I know what libraries, practices, and tools solve those problems. But I've yet to work with another language - and I've programmed in a shit-ton of languages - that gets out of the way as well as C++ when I want to systems-program. Even C. C is strictly lower level, but its lack of abstraction facilities gets in the way more than some of the modern numerical-type-safety stuff of C++ does.


> You're getting downvoted because your argument is cosmetic, egotistical, and useless.

Ouch. (sincerely) I hate to think my ego might be so large and detailed that it could be so irritating to someone through such scarce writing. Are you certain you're identifying me correctly?

> if I give 100 engineers your criteria and then ask them to categorize 100 different points against it, would give exactly the same results?

Fair point, I understand that things I find to be "unnecessary friction" were once very necessary, and are (not infrequently) still necessary today.

> Systems programming lives and dies by the details you want to ignore.

I haven't really given you much to respond to, which is my fault, but I don't think you're yet identifying what I want to ignore, because how could you if I'm not specifying myself entirely? Frankly, I was being too casual with my discourse for many of the people responding to me, I see that now and graciously accept my downvotes. I'd rather have a good conversation than internet karma points, so here goes.

So let me box this in more. A lot of my students just want to get some practice with programming the computer. They want to learn some basic graphics, whether they're using the GPU or not. They want to be direct about programming the computer, and often want to use systems-languages but find C and C++ too difficult to use. It is now common for university students to complete a bachelor's degree while strictly writing Python. *This is the current against which I swim.* I do not think this is a healthy situation. I want there to be: more incentive for students to do "fine grained" (systems) programming. Ultimately, it needs to be more economically relevant _and_ to seem accessible to them. So, in my eyes, if enterprises attempt to use some of the "rounder" (less sharp) tooling *where possible*, students might think they've got a shot and can feel assured there's a point to putting in the effort to learn how to use things like pointers, allocators, profilers, debuggers etc.

I do not want C or C++ to die tomorrow, or next year, or next decade, but in my time writing these languages and their "successors" I do think there are enough meaningful improvements that we owe the next generation a chance to take ownership of something that seems a little less hairy-- even if it is so they can make it hairy and start anew. I simply want them to feel the responsibility and freedom of control.

So what are the improvements? Let's start with C. Let me preface by saying I am aware there are a few tools that are a "must" with C, otherwise you're going to get bit by things like integer conversions or memory corruption. Know your compiler-flags and tools like valgrind and you'll be okay. But what if you didn't have to learn that the hard way? Some of the new languages can put friction in the way of these mistakes, whether by way of incompatible numerical operations on mixed types, or various restrictions on what you can do with a pointer. These are small things, and I hesitate to list many more, but there are so many! I realize I won't be exhaustive enough for you, but we can take it further, sometimes bugs can be introduced via aggressive backend optimizations which operate on undefined/platform defined behavior. Again, in this case, there are languages which simply forego these optimizations by defining the behavior.

Again, I realize there are genuine losses due to these design decisions which I'm advocating for, and I appreciate the pressure you're placing against me to distinguish these from flaws. I don't mean to point at the inventors of the past and to say they just did it poorly, I simply believe the trade-offs are out of calibration now. e.g. C's pre-processor and linkage strategy is to write a bunch of little atomic things so that it all fits in memory. That is still crucial for a lot of the largest systems out there today, but for anything else PLEASE let me write something like `go run .` and be done (this is not an endorsement for Golang specifically.)

The point which inspired me to write any of this is this: the software we run could be faster and lighter if we know how to make it that way. I think C and C++ are good tools to make the absolute fastest and lightest software in a great many cases. Probably the best tools. But what about the people who just want to make a GUI application without learning the framework of the month, or the programming language of the decade? What if you want to know something you can use for the foreseeable future without investing the kind of energy it takes to be a discerning user of C or C++? We're missing out on better software because students are giving up on "finer" tools.


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