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> Musk is up to something here. This could be another hyperloop (i.e. A distracting promise meant to sabotage competition). It could be a legal dodge. It could be a power grab.

It could also just be ignorance and talking out of his ass to look smart. Like when he took over Twitter and began publicly spewing wrong technical details as if he knew what he was talking about and being corrected by the people actually working on the product.


> YC, like most incubators, has always encouraged their companies to use products and services from other companies in their portfolio.

Advising unproven risky businesses to depend on other unproven risky businesses? Doesn’t that just increase the likelihood that something goes wrong?


> Advising unproven risky businesses to depend on other unproven risky businesses?

Read carefully: They’re not actually advising that startups prefer it. They’re allowing it as an option.

It doesn’t mean that it will actually be used. They just don’t want to appear like they’re avoiding the companies they’re funding. It’s a bad look.


I think you are confused. I don’t care about the announcement, I’m specifically addressing a point from my parent comment, which I quoted. Again, this time with emphasis:

> YC, like most incubators, has always encouraged (…)

“Encouraging” means advising, advocating for, not “allowing as an option”. I don’t know if YC really does that, but that’s the conversation. It’s about the claim made in a comment, not the submission.


Does anyone remember being voluntold to use Skiff for email and calendar, instead of a product that actually handles timezones in event invites?

I'm convinced the point of YC must be something other than launching successful businesses


I mean it’s obvious that successful businesses are only a side effect of what the point is - a successful exit. And if one big success can be strongarmed to help other ventures exit successfully, they’ll do it.

Why wouldn’t they?


This is why we can't have nice things.

Would you consider it risky for a startup to use its own product?

I would consider that a risk decreaser, because the loop creates a stronger fit signal.

Even more powerful, since across a cohort the encouragement is N-way, or really N^2-way, it actually lowers risk on average the more startups act as each others’ early customers.

And co-adopters benefit from getting unusually responsive suppliers with a strong indirect stake in mutual success.

Encourage isnt a requirement. Adopt only if it makes sense.


From the POV of YC, they don't mind too much if it is a bit risky for any given individual company if it increases the legitimacy and stability of their portfolio as a whole.

The already 99.9% likelihood?

> We see people suddenly becoming activists about energy usage or copyright solely to justify not using a tool they dislike.

Maybe you don’t care about the environment (which includes yourself and the people you like), or income inequality, or the continued consolidation of power in the hands of a few deranged rich people, or how your favourite artists (do you have any?) are exploited by the industry, but some of us have been banging the drum about those issues for decades. Just because you’re only noticing it now or don’t care it doesn’t mean it’s a new thing or that everyone else is being duplicitous. It’s a good thing more people are waking up and talking about those.


> fairly open platform where people can choose what to post and who to follow.

It is well known Musk amplifies his own speech and the words of those he agrees with on the platform, while banning those he doesn’t like.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/15/elon-m...

> could you clarify what the difference is between the near right and the far right?

It’s called far-right because it’s further to the right (starting from the centre) than the right. Wikipedia is your friend, it offers plenty of examples and even helpfully lays out the full spectrum in a way even a five year old with a developmental impairment could understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


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I was surprised by your claim that Wikipedia would categorize mild restrictions on immigration as an element of far-right politics, so I read that article to see it for myself. I didn't see anything about mild restrictions. Would you care to point out where you saw that?

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Well, far right is a spectrum, obviously. But a party that equates immigration of a particular religion as terrorism is not "mild immigration restrictions" in my reading.

I cross-checked Wikipedia's information with another source: https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-c...


I don't know about that party, but National Rally doesn't say that, and also polls around 34% of French people. So it remains that the Wikipedia "far right" definition is a very wide spectrum.

Um, the article I posted was about the same party. The BBC considers them far-right [1], Politico considers them far-right [2], Reuters considers them far-right [3], AP News considers them far-right [4], NBC News considers them far-right [5], the New York Times considers them far-right [6], Deutsche Welle considers them far-right [7].

I don't think the Wikipedia characterization is far off a pretty commonly held sentiment. You are of course, able to disagree and consider them far-left, center, or whatever label you want.

You stated earlier that because Wikipedia called mild immigration reform far-right (which it did not to my reading, so you pointed to National Rally as an example) words don't mean anything. But words do mean things by consensus, and from my reading the consensus is that National Rally is far-right.

Of course, many far-right (and far-left) thinkers consider themselves centrists or mild, so there will be disagreement.

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o [2]: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-inter... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiti... [4]: https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-r... [5]: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-n... [6]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-natio... [7]: https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le...


The article you posted said, "we just call them that because everyone else does".

But there's also an obvious semantic fail when 34% of the electorate is "far right". This means (16% - half the moderate percentage) is on the non-far right. It implies that "far" is just meaningless cant.


Where are you getting 34% of the electorate identify as far right from? I tried to find numbers and failed.

I googled National Rally polling, top result:

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/france/


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> Gotta give them props for all the English. I know that can't have been easy.

Why not? Plenty of French people speak English at a native level.


As a francophone, I can tell you that the vast majority doesn't.

Among software developers, the vast majority does.

definitely not at a native level...

Why are you nitpicking this? Are all French people incompetent laggards at speaking English? No, definitely not. There’s nothing about being French which makes you incapable of typing English text and maybe even *gasp* using a spell and grammar checker. The GitHub org shows seven people, is it so hard to believe they’re not absolute dolts at English? Why are you hell bent on insulting yourself?

https://github.com/orgs/suitenumerique/people


> evil.com

That website does exist. It may hurt your eyes.


We honestly should have just linked to oracle.com instead of evil.com

As someone with experience with it, I heartedly disagree. It’s not that hard to not invade user privacy. You have to go out of your way to be invasive, just respect your users and collect as little data possible. That’s truly the way to go and reduces your liability in a multitude of ways, including protecting you of data breaches (if you don’t keep the data, there’s nothing to steal).

You have not read a word of what I was writing...

Can you give a specific example of what needs to be documented?

I hope these are the correct English translation:

Record of processing activities, data processing agreements, consent documentation, technical and organisational measures, data protection impact assessment, data retention and deletion concepts, legal basis documentations, etc. etc.


Yeah, but basically all of those are either standard for SMEs or no-ops.

For instance, if I run a bakery and sell baked goods online, I'm probably using Shopify who comply with this with one button.

Even if I built the baking website myself, all I need is email address and physical address to send delicious baked goods to you. I need to keep the payment records for a long time (for dispute prevention if nothing else) but that's it.

Where is the GDPR hassle in this case?

Just stop collecting data you don't need (or make sure it's for a good reason, like fraud prevention) and you'll be fine.

If said bakery creates accounts, it's a little more involved but basically you just need to implement soft delete to comply with your obligations.

I'm not sure this is a massive hit, can you help me understand what SMEs exactly are going to be hit by complex GDPR compliance?


No, a bakery using Shopify will not spare them having these documents. You show a respectable amount of ignorance only to then claim GDPR won't be a hassle in this case. It absolutely is a hassle, which you would know, had you familiarized yourself with the subject.

Even stating "just stop collecting data you don't need" shows, that you did not care to read my response before you replied to it, and how little you generally know about the topic.

Not repeating what I said, I will add this: if you do collect personal data (and you WILL if you do anything online, write invoices or just have a security camera on premises) than you will have to have these documents ready.


> Criticism of the EU always gets down voted here

The Chat Control threads are an easy example to demonstrate otherwise.


Sure, pick the weakest part of my comment to reply to because I was imprecise in my language

You make it seem like disagreeing with one of your arguments (you made more than one) somehow means I believe all of them are invalid. That’s not true at all. I also don’t see what was imprecise about your language, the argument seems quite clear.

I do agree the GDPR is not enforced enough. I disagree that “criticism of the EU always gets downvoted here”. I don’t know about unpaid fines, but doing a web search I can’t find information either way, so perhaps if you know they aren’t paid you could provide the source for that claim?

You don’t need to take it to heart. Disagreeing with your point isn’t an insult to you. We’re all wrong about some things and right about others. Saying that “X always happens on HN” is typically incorrect (I have yet to find the situation where it is true).


Mom and pop businesses with limited IT skills are not collecting emails and private information. At worst they’d be using some external service (e.g. Mailchimp) which does it for them, and those have an obligation to be familiar with the law.

> Mom and pop businesses with limited IT skills are not collecting emails

They absolutely are!


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