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You're comfort with ignoring our laws, promoting policies that drain other countries of their most ambitious and productive citizens, encourage exploitative labor practices, and make it more difficult for immigrants to enter the country via legal means, speaks volumes about you. Be better.

P.S. When has anyone ever responded to the the sanctimonious phrase "be better" by actually "being better". You don't want them to "be better", you just want to try and shame them into adopting your ideological views.


Yea! Laws must be enforced! Let’s arrest all those illegal oral sex havers in Maryland. And those criminal face-makers-at-dogs in Oklahoma? Lock them up! Those horrible people singing while wearing swim suits in Florida? Straight to jail. Those deviants eating apple pie with ice cream in Kansas surely need to be put away. Women driving cars without their husbands waving flags in front need to be locked up, too! Laws are laws, after all. Better enforce them, lest you be a scofflaw.

How does, e.g., deporting a person who was illegally brought to this country at the age of 2, back to their “home” help their home country? What about the Haitian who came here legally under TPS, then, after Trump ended TPS, is now “illegal”? The Dept of State’s own website currently says of Haiti: “Do not travel to Haiti due to the risk of crime, kidnapping, terrorism, unrest, and limited health care.” How is deporting people back there helpful?


If you can't understand why laws need to be enforced, and also why it's bad for countries to lose their people to other countries, I'm not sure we have much to discuss here. I guess the US is the only country that matters to you.

These semantic tricks are so tiresome. If you broke a law to enter the country, I'm sorry, but you're here illegally. No amount of redefining of terms is ever going to change that.

There is no semantic game going on here

Somewhere between half and a solid majority of undocumented immigrants came through ports of entry and have overstayed their visas. Again, this is not a crime

Or perhaps there is a semantic game, but it's coming from the other direction - from those who would demagogue immigrants in order to portray them all as scary, evil criminals


If you overstay your visa, it’s time to go, regardless of how scary you are.

Thankfully, for most people, such simplistic notions die at first contact with an actual real-life mass deportation campaign as they witness the wrecked homes and families they leave behind.

Most of these immigrants aren't islands unto themselves, they are here b/c they have ties here, or have even spent their lives here, and you're ripping them away from their families. Many of the dreamers they're trying to deport right now haven't lived in their "home" country since they were toddlers

That sort of thing leads sensible people to ask themselves, "what good is actually being done here?"

This is why immigration went from a winning issue to a losing issue with Republicans in the span of 2 years.


Of course it's going to be a messy process when you try to finally enforce your immigration laws after years of not doing so. Enforcing laws isn't always pretty, but it's the only way to deter future behavior. The results speak for themselves. illegal immigration has dropped to historic lows. We are doing what pretty much every other nation in the world is doing when it comes to immigration enforcement, and in a lot of ways we're more lax than most. But for some reason we are singled out as uniquely cruel for doing so.

Here we are, still fighting with illusions created by the term "illegal immigrant". Legal/illegal is a false binary.

Millions (if not most) of the immigrants who have arrived here in recent years entered through ports of entry or presented themselves to Border Patrol to initiate the immigration process, and have pending immigration cases or asylum claims working their way through the courts. All perfectly legal. Guess what bucket they fall into?

And what exactly are we trying to deter in those cases? Nothing that should be deterred in the first place.

Want to deter illegal border crossings? Sounds good, but we're already pretty good at it. Apprehension rates have been pretty consistent over the years (before and after Trump)

What problem are we actually solving with more "deterrence"?

Reducing the backlog in immigration courts? Fair enough. I agree that's a problem worth solving. But the solution is straightforward: increase the system's capacity to process cases in a timely manner by hiring more immigration judges and implementing a few easy legal reforms.

Instead, we're building a nationwide network of detention facilities, pouring a military-grade budget into an immigration enforcement agency with serious accountability problems, and incentivizing aggressive enforcement through high quotas and broad discretion. The predictable result is the kind of situation we're seeing now, where ICE detains people as they show up for their damn naturalization ceremonies and is quickly turning itself into a domestic military/spying agency.

It's deterring immigration, period.

Net migration has turned negative for the first time in decades. The total US population declined for the 1st time in history in 2025. If that's not turned around, and fast, we're cooked.


You're free to speed, but you don't get to complain when you're caught doing it and dealt consequences for doing so.

Of course you can, there's an entire process for arguing a traffic violation in court.

And there's an entire process for arguing that you haven't violated immigration law too.

You mean the process the Trump administration is arguing they don't have to follow, and have actually circumvented to deport people as fast as possible just so they don't have a chance to argue their case in front of a judge? Their whole position is the executive branch is the judge, jury, and executioner of deportation proceedings, so they can be (and have been in violation of court orders) done summarily.

  "The department actions in this case are unquestionably in violation of this court's order."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-appeals-court-rejects-trump...

  "The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process"
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2025/unquestio...

  Homeland Security's interpretation of immigration law would: "deny access to that protection to a substantial swath of noncitizens who are sent to third countries with no notice of their destination"
https://abcnews.com/US/slamming-trump-administration-appeals...

Anti immigrant crusaders have wrought lawlessness upon this country far worse than lawbreaking done by any immigrant illegal or otherwise.


Left wing speech is hate speech. Prove me wrong.

The US has good historical reasons to ban the promotion of socialist/communist ideology, yet I don't think many people on the left would be down with that.

Calling people "bots" was also a favored tactic of the left. Seems it's still in fashion.

When someone is spreading messages of “both sides bad” and “western ideas bad”, my assumption is it’s a bot

Software engineers have been making people jobless since the first day they started writing software, without a hint of remorse. Why is this any different?


Some yes, not everyone, some of us had morals.


cause the ones fired could become software developers, what are the ones fired because of AI gonna be other than homeless?


you believe that switchboard operators could become software developers whereas software developers won't be able to go into one of the many other careers not taken over by AI?


I'm a senior software developer. I'd rather just live on welfare than work anything else.


Pick berries where robots are bad at.


It took a long time for the internet to result in things that improved life for in tangible ways.


Damn near a decade or more. We're a little under 4 years into the chatbot era.


But the old internet never had so much negative impact on the world with so little upside.


Facebook and its ilk sort were more or less the unravelling of western liberalism. The descent happened before generative ai.


That does not make the AI-part any better.


Because creating a successful software product is more than just writing code.


This is basically my setup but I'm using tailscale and zellij. I don't have any contingency plan in place for my power or home internet going down though..


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