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considering cameras can create reliable enough distance measurements AND also handle all the color reception needed for legally driving roads it was always a ridiculous idea by a certain set of people that lidar is necessary.

No, cameras cannot create reliable distance measurements in real-world conditions. Parallax is not a great way to measure distance for fast, unpredictably moving objects (such as cars on the road). And dirt or misalignment can significantly reduce accuracy compared to lab conditions.

Note that humans do not rely strictly on our eyes as cameras to measure distances. There is a huge amount of inference about the world based on our internal world models that goes into vision. For example, if you put is in a false-perspective or otherwise highly artifical environment, our visual acuity goes down significantly; conversely, people with a single eye (so no parallax-based measurement ability) still have quite decent depth perception compared to what you'd naively expect. Not to mention, our eyes are kept very clean, and maintain their alignment to a very high degree of precision.


I don't think they meant literally cameras only can create reliable distance measures. At the risk of putting words in their mouth, I would guess they meant "cameras as the only input to a distance model". the "model" doing all the heavy lifting, covering the points that you quite rightly point out are needed

Several companies, most notably Tesla, have done this well enough to drive in all manner of traffic. I'm not going to comment about if lidar is strictly needed or not to achieve better-than-human safety, that's yet to be proven one way or another by anyone. The point is that cameras + local inference can do a pretty good job at distance estimation


Stereo cameras are useless against repeating patterns. They easily match neighboring copies. And there are lots of repeating or repeating-like patterns that computers aren't smart enough to handle.

You can solve this by adding an emitter next to the camera that does something useful, be it just beaconing lights or noise patterns or phase synced laser pulses. And those "active cameras" are what everyone call LIDARs.


There are tons of evidence showing that cameras are alone are not safe enough and even Tesla has realized that removing lidar to save cost was a mistake.

'cameras can see in color, therefore lidar is unnecessary for self driving' is unconvincing

> ridiculous idea by a certain set of people that lidar is necessary.

"Necessary"? Seems like a straw man, don't you think? I strive to argue against the strongest reasonable claim someone is making.

Lots of reasonable people suggest LIDAR is helpful to fill in gaps when vision is compromised, degraded, or less capable.

People running businesses, of course, will make economic trade-offs. That's fine. But don't confuse, say, Elon's economic tradeoff with the full explanation of reality which must include an awareness that different sensors have different strengths in different contexts.

So, when one thinks about what sensor mix is best for a given application, one would be wise to ask (and answer) such questions as:

- What is the quality bar?

- What sensors are available?

- Wow well do various combinations of sensors work across the range of conditions that matter for the quality bar?

- WRT "quality bar": who gets to decide "what matters"? The company making the cars? The people that drive them? regulators that care about public safety. The answer: it is a complex combination.

It is time to dismiss any claim (or implication) that "technology good, regulation bad". That might be the dumbest excuse for a philosophy I've ever heard. It is the modern-day analogue of "Brawndo's got what plants crave." Smart people won't make this argument outright, but unfortunately, their claims sometimes reduce to this level of absurdity. Neither innovation nor regulation are inherently good nor bad. There are deeper principles in play.

Yes, some individuals would use their self-proclaimed freedom to e.g. drive without seatbelts at 100 mph at night with headlights off. An extreme example, but it is the logical extension of pure individualism run amok. Regulators and anyone who cares about public safety will draw a line somewhere and say "No. Individual stupidity has a limit." Even those same people would eventually come to their senses after they kill someone, but by then it is too late.


Didnt russia cause a lot of debris due to one of their tests and endanger the ISS crew ?


Yeah I just watched my own video and was surprised to see exactly that. Because I remember reading somewhere else years ago that an ideal anti-satellite weapon would either de-orbit a satellite (like bumping it off orbit so it burns up) or use some kind of net/capture to push it off orbit, rather than blow it up.

Now this is going to have to be a rabbit hole for me (and some AI) this weekend.


Their test was in a low-ish orbit so most of the debris is gone now.

I haven't looked at stats lately but I'd guess the #1 source of debris in space right now is still the Chinese ASAT test which threw a bunch of crap into Medium Earth Orbit. Before that, the main source of debris was leaking coolant from some nuclear reactors the Soviet sent up


The fact that canadian lumber companies seem to be switching their machinery to metric is funny though. https://woodcentral.com.au/canadas-sawmills-weigh-metric-swi...


The main problem was that it was and is twice as expensive with less range as they said it would be with seemingly no push to address either.

It seems to be a good product (with compromises as any product) but its not a slam dunk to choose that as a Model 3/Y is.


Dont get me started on the number of times Signal/formerly Skype opened up a dialog in-the-midst of me typing and me accidentally accepting a call because i happened to write 'space' at that moment in time


That depends a lot on many factors and thus I dont like generic statements like that which tend to be more focused on a specific database pattern. That said everyone should indeed be aware of the potential tradeoffs.

And of course we could come up with many ways to generate our own ids and make them unique, but we have the following requirements.

- It needs to be a string (because we allow composing them to 'derive' keys) - A client must be able to create them (not just a server) without risk for collisions - The time order of keys must not be guessable easily (as the id is often leaked via references which could 'betray' not just the existence of a document, but also its relative creation time wrt others). - It should be easy to document how any client can safely generate document ids.

The lookup performance is not really such a big deal for us. Where it is we can do a projection into a more simple format where applicable.


THe first example they showed is quite the turn-off though :)


It matters because it helps the "Elon Bad" storyline, that seems to be the connecting thread between all these "reports" whether about SpaceX or Tesla by some news outlets which dont even do the due diligence of putting the stories into any kind of perspective or try to find out if the implied premise of the headline is true or should even matter to the casual reader.


At this point deorbiting satellites is rather on the light side of whatever Musk is doing and saying these days, don't you think?


So it wont work in Europe where its needed most ?

What else is it going to do ? Translating Californian to New York English ? Help with ordering from Taipei-Palace ?


Tourists visiting EU who don't live there will be able to use the feature. Or EU users when outside the EU.


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This comment is suggesting that Arabic will become the lingua franca of the EU, in time. Violates guidelines.


Flagged. Stop.


Try changing the names of the objects. eg fox, hen, seeds for examples


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