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He’s saying put regular money in the bank vault, why complicate with crypto.

Yeah I use the Xbox edge browser sometimes, even popups break because they’re like wtf is this.

AI safety in the context of the frontier labs is completely a joke, much like privacy to the previous iteration of big tech. They talk about safety but end up just releasing the next more powerful model. They only talk about “scaling back” when the models aren’t getting better to protect their valuations.

They release their models with safeguards HN whines endlessly about. They certainly do not "release their most powerful models"

Ive been thinking about this a a lot, like now if LLMs can just try a bunch of things, you can just try them all now. Are there some applications where we can just brute force and test at scale and no longer need to understand? Where understanding is now in essence that it “works” and passes our acceptance tests.


There's been a decent amount of drugs that have been made via a brute force method, but it's a pretty physical process, usually pipetting a few hundred thousand compounds and samples. There's also a lot of drugs where we don't fully understand how they work.


I give a shit about knowledge! I think it's good entirely for its own sake.


I agree! I'm also not going to turn down an Alzheimer's vaccine that's been demonstrated to be safe and effective even if we don't know exactly how it works. (And if you think that's a contrived fantasy, check out the shingles vaccine).


I don’t think appeals to morality or ethics are required for this. You paid for the LLM’s output, you should be allowed to use it how you wish. The only reason distillation is a dirty word is the AI labs trying to spread FUD to protect their non-existent moat.


It’s to the point I don’t even read Anthropic’s marketing blog anymore lol. The ai psychosis is just so real when people take these fluff blog posts which never have evidence or reproducibility and treat them like gospel


It’s crazy to me that companies/researchers share important data with these AI labs, you’re basically giving them your secret sauce which they then share with all of your competitors via training on conversations. At the same time I don’t really know alternatives other than a slightly less than frontier local LLM. Not sure how good they are at math.


Academic work is based on worldwide sharing, the sharing is not the problem, it's the lack of attribution. Unsurprisingly, these companies neglect standards of academic honor and attribution. Some human researchers also used to do that but in a discipline like mathematics this used to be a small problem because people tend to be so specialized that very few people could just grab someone's research and quickly piggyback on it, and if they do, colleagues will generally understand what happened. Unfortunately, AI is changing this.


You are both using a different definition of sharing I believe. When people have an expectation of privacy, use by others should be forbidden. Tech has gone completely off the rails with the use of private data.


The ultimate drive for some researches is the pursuit of knowledge. If I'm stuck at some block which prevents me from continuing in some direction that I want, of course I would like some help. I believe we already have nonzero collaborative proofs on math.SE, I can't recall good examples, but I have definitely seen citations to mathSE before.

So for me it sounds quite natural to also share this with AI especially under the privacy assumption. Also there's the assumption of scale -- maybe your problem is not large enough for anyone to care to scoop; and just for blind retraining, how do they know that the proof is even correct to include it into training? I have definitely received a ton of incorrect proofs before. So the SNR of such private chats is also not clear. I'm imagining millions of masters/phd students also trying to solve various random things with various capabilities, but how much real signal is there?


Or start competing with you.


LMFTFY:

"Its crazy to me that some people are not egotistical, self-centered, and don't solely care about fame and wealth accumulation".


I don’t think you realize how often depressed people say they will but don’t commit suicide, and also being able to know when is quite remarkable - I think this study is pretty interesting, and not as obvious as you think it is.


yeah but look how much overhead this is

> They were sent brief (20-item) smartphone-based surveys 6 times/day for 3 months

Is that in any way realistic? 120 answers/day??


Assessing my mental state that often could lead to a crisis, if I’m already a bit unstable.

A dark take: “We can predict suicides by driving people to commit them”.


Yeah, I can't see what the questions were, but if they were about suicidal thoughts and plans, having to read, consider and respond to those questions six times a day would certainly reinforce any tendency to think about it, just through sheer exposure.


Makes me consider it just by thinking about enduring that


Laws should not be executed on the whim of the executive branch.


Isn’t that the whole definition of “executive branch”? They are given (by we the people) the power to choose how to execute the laws. And we elect them.

The alternatives I can think of are for laws to be executed at the whim of an algorithm, a king, a more local executive like the governors of each state, or a more distant foreign executive like the UN


No, the branch who decides whether a specific execution follows the law is called the judiciary.


No, the executive branch has a responsibility to execute the law. It's not a privilege. We elected them to perform a duty on our behalf. Do you understand the difference?


Isn't discretion a foundational principle in the exercise of the executive's functions? Or is discretion reserved only for the judiciary?


No.

Article 2, Section 3 of the US Constitution: "[The President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"

The judiciary doesn't have discretion as in it has been "granted" discretion. It de facto has a high degree of discretion because the act of judging a case necessarily entails a judgment of the laws.

Judicial review is a functional necessity. It's a necessary downstream consequence of simply having a Constitution as the supreme law.

The analog to the executive is that the executive naturally has finite resources to enforce law, and so as a matter of functional necessity it has some degree of discretion. That is not discretion to say "I disagree with this law and so am choosing not to enforce it," but the discretion to say "there are other priorities that are more important."


I was thinking about it more like if cops didn't have discretion, they would have to arrest for every minor offense and let the courts sort it out. After more reading it seems there are differing interpretations of the "Take Care" clause. Thank you for taking the time to explain.

> Beyond these constraints, the Clause raises several vexing questions. For instance, must the President enforce those laws she believes are unconstitutional? Some scholars argue that Presidents must enforce all congressional laws, without regard to his or her own constitutional opinions. Yet modern Presidents occasionally exercise a power to ignore such enactments on the grounds they are not true “laws” subject to the faithful execution duty. In so doing, they somewhat mimic the arguments and practice of President Thomas Jefferson, who refused to enforce the Sedition Act on the grounds that it was unconstitutional.

https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/art...


The executive only has discretion if the law says they do. If the law says they must or shall do something, they must do that thing. If it says they MAY do something or otherwise explicitly gives them discretion in making a decision, then yeah, they have that discretion

But it's not a given that they can just decide what laws they will or will not enforce or follow


It's not always a bad thing though is it? Like when Obama stopped federal enforcement of weed laws.


That decision was expanding rights, not removing them.


> That decision was expanding rights, not removing them.

Theft of personal property under US$10,000 is no longer a crime.

Survival of the fittest, as nature intended.

Expanded rights, therefore good.


Expanded rights for some at the direct expense of others. That's not the same as simply expanding rights, unless you count other people being 'offended' in the same category as someone being physically assaulted or killed.


> That's not the same as simply expanding rights, unless you count other people being 'offended' in the same category as someone being physically assaulted or killed.

Yes, they are the same category.

In US$10,000 property damage, nobody is physically harmed.

Here’s another example, expanded rights:

Anyone holding a 401k, IRA, or pension can purchase single family homes and apartments inside the account, and pay zero capital gains tax and zero rental income tax.

We expanded rights!

Take a guess what this does to the homeless population.


> Anyone holding a 401k, IRA, or pension can purchase single family homes and apartments inside the account, and pay zero capital gains tax and zero rental income tax.

I am not sure on pensions, but this is not true for a 401k. Only an IRA can be used without paying capital gains taxes for a home purchase. Including first time home buyers. Speaking from experience, I learned the hard way the benefit you are describing applies only to an IRA.

To be clear, you are saying that theft of <10k is not a crime..? If you steal an iPad in an airport, you are charged with theft. I don't know where you got that idea. People are charged with theft for much less than 10k daily.


How is damage to a property not physical?


I asked if it was always bad. It seems you agree that it is not always bad.


Yes it’s only bad when Trump does it.

Refusing to enforce drug laws or immigration laws is perfectly fine. Ditto for refusing to honor the 2nd amendment.


>Ditto for refusing to honor the 2nd amendment.

Honoring it, no doubt, by restricting firearms to duly registered militia personnel as written in the plain text for all to see? What about the 14th Amendment section 3, also written plainly?


The prefatory clause of the 2nd amendment’s usage of “well-regulated” means “well-equipped” (i.e., they should have lots of guns!).

It’s been repeatedly established through multiple SCOTUS interpretations that it’s just one example of why such rights shall not be infringed.


That was still bad actually. A lot of "legal" weed business still lives in a state of weird limbo because of it.


Honestly it's still bad - it creates long term problems. Ignoring the democratic system (i.e not changing the law) just creates chaos.


Chaos aptly describes the US right now. And it suits people with money and connections.

America is becoming the India that they hate.


Except you paid for the words of the conversation..


And how much of our output have the copied to train their models on?


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