I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but you've not engaged with the "intended usecases" part of the comment you're replying to. You both disagree on what "intended usecases" really are in this context so engage with that rather than replying with a bunch of videos.
> The EU will probably do the same within max 5 years, European car brands are about to be wiped up if they don't
Currently chinese cars are perceived as super low quality and the only strong selling point they have is the price, as they had when Huawei, Xiaomi and other brands entered the smartphone market.
If I look at BYD catalogue in the italian website I can see:
- the Dolphin starting from about 36k€ when there's the Peugeot e2008 starting from 31k€ and FIAT 600 starting from 31k€ as well
- the Atto 3 starting from about 42k€ when rumors say the Peugeot e3008 will start from about 46k€
- two higher end models which are perfectly matched by BMW offerings at the same price and with comparable performance, not even looking at other premium brands such as Audi or Mercedes
I specifically made the comparison with BYD but I'm happy to give a look at other brands you could suggest.
Even considering chinese carmakers pricing power and old school carmakers lagging behind, I honestly can't see anything disrupting here.
ps: Asian phone manufacturers is much different from China phone manufacturers given that in EU all put together they barely reach Samsung market share.
On the same note, let's not forget there are many established asian carmakers outside China ready to take their slice of the cake.
> ps: Asian phone manufacturers is much different from China phone manufacturers given that in EU all put together they barely reach Samsung market share.
Huawei was taking off like a rocket in Europe before the US kneecapped them.
> Currently chinese cars are perceived as super low quality and the only strong selling point they have is the price, as they had when Huawei, Xiaomi and other brands entered the smartphone market.
That's always step 1, exactly what Japan (60s, 80s) and Korea (90s, 00s) did. They all move up after a while. Japan, especially, smashed US car companies.
Yes of course, but today's japanese and korean cars are well renowned and considered top in class, what about Xiaomi and other chinese smartphone brands ?
Severely lagging behind Apple and Samsung and price-to-quality ratio it's kinda meh, completely different evolution.
>> Huawei was taking off like a rocket in Europe before the US kneecapped them. <<
Huawei was taking off mostly in China -- after the CCP forced Samsung out of China after 2013 under Xie's state industrial policy to protect their domestic industry. Samsung's China market share went from 20% to 1% in a span of a few years. (the same can be said for LG Chem's EV battery business in China and Hyundia/Kia's auto business). It's difficulty to say what would have happened in the EU though.
Stellantis has already been selling hundreds of thousands of BEVs in the last couple of years and changing the entire offer of several brands they own, a process they are gonna complete in a few years, namely 3/4.
They also have a strong position on commercial vehicles as well.
Their position is everything but weak, considering they are indeed a "legacy automaker".
The edge between manufacturers is always very, very thin in cases where manufacturers are actually trying to directly compete with each other. But usually they're not. Cadillac and Audi both build performance sedans but they build them for different demographics, taste profiles and usage patterns and it shows. Cadillac has tried to build cars for Audi customers and Audi has tried to build cars for Cadillac customers and they've both mostly flopped and they've gone back to their own things. The marginal new car buyer who flip flops between brands doesn't really care about that stuff. They have specific and varied criteria they're using to choose.
Everyone on the upper middle class internet shits on FCA because FCA's financing arm has no qualms about writing low end loans which run results in their cars being (when new) driven by people who on average are lower class and less well off than those of the "nicer" brands and FCA consciously builds cars to the price points those buyers want. This results in the cars generally being more clapped out for a given age/mileage on average than "nicer" brands which is then used to justify the shitting-on in a circular logic sort of way.
This phenomena and set of feedback loops isn't specific to cars though. You see it used to justify purchases in all sorts of product classes.
After a decade in the auto industry, I can confidently say that the difference (in quality) between FCA and others is not marginal. There is a severe lack of sound engineering during development and process control in manufacturing. All OEMs screw up, but FCA just manages to do it consistently.
The Chrysler part of what became Stellantis was incredibly behind EV. Part of why Stellantis exists in the first place is because they knew they would simply die without having a partner for EV stuff. The European part of that new company had some EV stuff but they are not actually considered market leader by literally anybody and they are mostly in Europe.
I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.
I wonder if people using it for writing code are running docker at all, you read so many comments on HN of how the battery life is incredible (on any thread about comparisons between any Mac and any other laptop) while in my experience a full charge Macbook Air M2 lasts about 6 hours with Docker running instead of the usual 15 it lasts when its off.
I write code full time. I run Docker as little as possible, preferring to run everything “natively”. It’s so much simpler than figuring out how to get whatever shitty webstack working with reloading etc. It’s faster. Battery life is better. There’s no downside in my experience as macOS is a good enough *nix that almost everything Just Works™.
The only time I run Docker is to test an image locally, which is in general only to debug my Dockerfile.
Are you running arm64 or amd64 images? I switched from docker to podman, mostly due to other issues (e.g., the weirdness with the Docker VM seemingly growing infinitely in size and refusing to trim automaticity), but running arm-native containers has never really made my battery life significantly worse.
The 12+ hours, though, I’m not sure how people are getting that consistently. I feel like VS Code and some LSPs alone make that impossible for me.
I can’t imagine if I were doing some web dev stuff and needed Chrome installed of Safari too.
Run arm64 ubuntu in a VM and use arm64 images and it should be very fine?
I have a 256GB (with easy/cheap room for 768gb) 28c haswell-e server sitting in my basement though too. Costs like 1/3 of a macbook pro if it comes down to it.
I switched to using Podman when the licensing terms came out and it was clear we weren’t going to be able to get a procurement through. The move was generally painless and the battery life is great - no noticeable impact unless I’m actually hammering the CPU in a container.
I use my company-provided M1 Pro MBP for mobile dev (Xcode, Android Studio) and battery life and heat are both great for that use case. Very rarely run Docker, but when I have it's seemed more resource hungry than anything else running.
You could also launch a Linux VM and run your docker containers in there. That ought to work better than just running docker in Mac OS and letting it manage VM instances on its own.
It's just the same good old EU BAD -> everything coming from there BAD.
There's even a comment under this post on how GDPR "degrades the web in the name of privacy", I guess trackers are just way better then cookie banners after all.
Then you read Utah and California have comparable proposals yet I've seen a single mention of them in the whole comment section.
Pretty much agree, was going to make a similar but shorter comment.
To me it feels like the opposite, Windows is the true Coke Cola just because some things work better and the vast majority of people use it like you suggest, Linux is some fresh Pepsi (to say, I know the other is more popular but I don't care and prefer its unique taste) and macOS is some ok discount cola, which is alright but nothing people should go proud of drinking.
There is absolutely no way that MacOS is the bottom. Sure, 100% Windows is Coke Cola. But a Linux desktop vs a Mac… ask 100 people in the world (not Hacker News) to choose between a Mac and a System76 machine, 97 of them are choosing the Mac.
Doesn’t really change anything re: the review though. I had the Lemur Pro for 2 years and used it as my main coding machine. I used it 8+ hours a day for years. It was a solid machine. I bought it because I refused to buy a Touch Bar MacBook. Once the 14” M1 came out… it was over. The M1 is faster, more reliable, has a longer battery life, a higher resolution and brighter screen, and imo has better software. Sure, free software is great, and I contribute to, and use a boatload of OSS, but a lot of times, you get what you pay for, or not.
Ultimately the experience compared to a 14” MBP is, there is no comparison imo, the MacBook hardware blows it out of the water in all aspects.
