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AI generated text has no human centered underlying model of physical reality and its metaphors are tortured as a result.

If we had talking centipedes the results would probably be similar, but for different reasons.


That, and one can feel that there is no intention behind the text. There are no introductions and main points and fun asides, just a mechanical, steady stream of words with much too frequent, quasi-randomly distributed fake "main points".

The fake main points can be excused since the underlying models are auto regressive and that's as good as you can do with a regular language.

LLMs text generation is much closer to the way humans speak than to the way good writers write.


That's like saying that the roaches in the food can be excused because they occur in the selected cheap ingredients and it would be more expensive to remove them. Makes some sense, but I'm not going to embrace the bugs anyway.

Also the training punishes clearly wrong text harshly compared to not clearly wrong text.

Which gives a relative incentive to hard to understand text.


Or $10 on open router.

>I'm sitting here watching astra do in a day what would have taken me at least 3-6 months.

I've got some bad news for you.


What’s the bad news, exactly?

That it would've taken you 3-6 months because you're bad at what you do and don't know much. Being 10 times faster and better than 0.05 isn't particularly impressive.

I work in formal verification at a company whose products you've definitely interacted with today. On an average day, I throw thousands of dollars worth of tokens at the SOTA models and have them produce tens of thousands of lines of both proofs and code (alongside proofs of correctness).

We're solving problems now that we never even would have attempted previously. We couldn't have even staffed them if we wanted to. Even if we had the people, it would be years of development before we saw usable results.

If you can't understand how this kind of work would take a human with a few decades of experience 3-6 months, you're the 0.05 developer in my world.


>multiplying development speed by 10x or more

[[citation needed]]


I've had a hell of a time with more complex model setups in open router and have gone to just using the underlying APIs directly.

Elaborate on the setup please?

I use the api from the model provider?

I mean what is so complex about your setup

If you don't break the law you do indeed fall further behind people who do.

Nothing in that post is against using an LLM. It's all about copyright:

>Since every file in OpenBSD has been continually verified to ensure correct Copyright, and we've even deleted code which has incorrect Copyright, the chances of us accepting such new code with such a suspicious Copyright situation is zero.

Once the current bubble pops we're going to see a lot of litigation over copyright enfringement by LLMs. Currently no one wants to rock the boat because everyone hopes to make a trillion dollars from AI, Oracle included, once they see they can't the knives are going to come out and I wouldn't want to be Linux at that point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America


Copyright will adapt.

Also my personal opinion about copyright _in the FOSS domain_ is that I simply dont care. Copyleft as the GNU folks like to call it is just using the copyright laws to achieves certain free software objectives. If that doesnt work anymore there will be another fix


Copyright adaptation literally means billion dollar lawsuits, because copyright only adapts after court decisions.

The BSD licences are not copyleft, or indeed part of the GNU copyright regime.


Yeah, the billion dollar lawsuits that are coming after the trillion dollar ones that are gonna hit the AI industry any day now.

Copyright is dead.


>Copyright is dead.

I remember hearing that in 1996 too.


How was the LLM training scene in 1996?

So long as there's big money interests around copyright, I assure you it will not die. And all the predictions about the knives coming out after the AI bubble pops are spot on.

It took a while for the DMCA to happen after Napster. But it indeed happened, and we all know the saying about history repeating itself.


> It took a while for the DMCA to happen after Napster.

By the time they came for Napster technology had already moved on. I can still download entire albums and movies in minutes 2 decades later. Heck, Usenet is still a bastion of piracy and that's been around for 46 years.


> I can still download entire albums and movies in minutes 2 decades later.

Yeah, but you cannot do so legally; you can't build a business of it. The AI companies are trying to build a business, not download movies for their kids to watch during school holidays!


The DMCA was passed in 1998. Napster didn't really hit big until 1999.

The 90s young people are familiar with are... way different from the 90s I remember. Their understanding of it is like... if someone asked to AI-gen the decade.


Wow, you're right. The DMCA happened while I was out of the country doing something very not-tech-scene related, so I completely missed that it passed way the heck back then.

I suppose my point still stands if you are willing to stretch back to Usenet, BBSs, etc. as an inflection point in mass copyright infringement.


> Copyright will adapt.

There's only two ways for copyright to go, either by being tightened up or by being loosened.

When has copyright protections ever loosened? We've got hundreds of years of copyright laws in multiple different jurisdictions, and I can't think of when they were, for all practical purposes, loosened.

If they are loosened, then sure, the AI companies win big here. If they are tightened, AI itself becomes almost useless (derivative of current works).


> my personal opinion about copyright _in the FOSS domain_ is that I simply dont care.

You may not care, but if the OS you prefer to run is the defendant in a copyright case, that's likely to impact you in a negative way.


It is amusing to see this point made in a discussion that is notionally about one of the BSDs.

"Those that do not learn history" and so forth.


> You may not care, but if the OS you prefer to run is the defendant in a copyright case, that's likely to impact you in a negative way.

I mean, it's not like the BSDs stagnated and lost ground to Linux because of copyright lawsuits... oh, wait!


Homework is not usually something you get paid to do.

You get paid in exposure!

>Why should we be estatic that some signifigant math problem was solved by machine rather of a human being in a language only the machine understands?

Why should I be ecstatic that someone solved a problem using Hilbert Calculus when I can only understand Sequent Calculus? [0]

[0] This is a joke. No 'real' mathematicians do systematic proofs. What gets posted in math journals is the equivalent of architecture diagrams.


You shouldn't. Maybe you should learn Hilbert Calculus so you can appreciate it.

It's like asking if what someone wrote a beautiful poem but it's in japanese. Maybe hearing about it motivates me to learn japanese, or maybe it doesn't. But as a non-speaker it makes little impression on me.


If you're writing Japanese poetry instead of solving maths problems expect to get paid Japanese poetry wages.

True. And if you are you solving math problems you should expect prompt engineer wages

And we replace one tyrant for dozens. It's not much of an improvement.

I don't know much about the Fediverse, but if you can easily move your account or data from one tyrant to another (and it looks like you can) then that is a huge improvement.

You can even become your own tyrant

Because for the last 10 years anyone who was pro free speech was called a fascist in the US.

i havent really seen proper breaches of free speech until those same people got power, like the government coming in to strip people's education visas or greencards for having the illegal opinions about israel

Okay? That doesn't say much about what they do today nor if you are against this censorship.

It wasn't censorship. Their activity hit a limit and triggered an automated suspension.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/meta-says-suspe...


Sure, that doesn't change the question though, a lot of folks are only free speech for their cause or interest while cheers on when others speech is restricted, thus I'm curious if said poster is different.

Free speech is not freedom from free speech being used against you. You don't just get to say what you want and everyone else shuts up about it. How absolutely myopic do you have to be to think this way?

Holy hyperbole!

And you have literal fascists in power right now, where did they come from?

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