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High energy input costs and excessive government regulations don’t help

Don't worry, car companies in Germany are immune to regulations. They're that country's version of cartels.

Have faith - every technological revolution has resulted in ultimately more jobs for humainty

I can't pay my bills with faith

And "more jobs" doesn't interest me. I want better, more rewarding jobs


Yea, lots of people are not addressing the very obvious trend. Companies are laying off and/or not hiring more people and doing more with less. And if they are hiring, the median pay is dropping.

> I want

As if anyone cares what you want. Or what I want. Or what the rest of humanity has wanted throughout the course of human evolution. You’re just lucky you managed to land a job you like - at least for a little while. Now get back to the mines - just like the rest of us.


Sometimes after a generation passes through. You can't always retrain for the new work in time.

> Have faith - every technological revolution has resulted in ultimately more jobs for humainty

Problem of induction


Technology also led to more jobs for horses, until one day it didn’t

Yes, I have heard the human liberation front is hiring. /s

Men and women are different, but now women make more money than men but the laws were written when the opposite was true

Will corruption of government spending on welfare and Medicaid be investigated?

Trump has already pardoned the following Medicare/Medicaid fraudsters:

    Dirtbag           USD in Medicare/Medicaid Fraud
    --------------    -----------------
    Philip Esformes   $1300M
    Judigeth Negron   $ 205M
    Lawrence Duran    $ 205M
    Daniela Gozes     $  50M
    Simon Melgen      $  42M
    John Davis        $   4M
and I bet he could pardon many more for a small fee.

If Trump keeps dropping the ball on it, yes, the Congress will have to take that on as well. He’s supposed to be running the executive.

People don’t want to work anymore, but they keep expecting more from their already debt loaded governments - the free ride has to end at some point.

You actually believe that most people are getting a “free ride”? You’re reducing this to simple laziness?

I don't think that very many people are getting a free ride. I'm sure it happens but it's not common.

I do think there are a lot of people, like the OP, who think people should be. They view the structure of modern society and the lack of free rides as something that "boomer, petite-bourgeoise types" have imposed on us, rather than a reflection of underlying realities.


I think there should be free rides for a lot of circumstances tbh. Like, I want children to be clothed, housed, fed, educated, and exposed to minimal trauma or workplace/economy pressure. I want anyone too disabled to work to also be clothed, housed, fed, educated to the degree possible depending on their disability... I want single moms to not worry about that stuff either... I want 70+ y/o folks to not feel pressured to be in the workforce so they can leave leadership opportunities to younger folks... None of this has to do with some characterization of people that are against those things I just think we disagree

Against what things? The US government spends over 2 trillion dollars each year providing resources to elderly and disabled people through the Social Security and Medicare programs. I don't think "free ride" is exactly the right way to phrase this - we live in a society, we're obligated to take care of those who can't take care of themselves - but basically nobody in the modern US argues that old people should starve if their nest egg isn't big enough. The debates are about precisely how generous the funding should be and what tradeoffs we should make to obtain additional funding that may be required.

> I want single moms to not worry about that stuff either

Uh, that's like 20% of households with children, or 25% of children (plus another 5% are raised by some other guardian, so likely also a welfare situation). That's again where we're getting into unrealistic territory (not to mention the terrible incentive). Across all of your groups, you're basically saying half the population should be taken care of by the other half.

A more pressing issue is why are a quarter of children raised by single parents? Even if they were completely taken care of economically, that's still a disaster.


Oh yes, 60% contribute less than they receive over lifetime. It is a well known fact.

"Free ride" is what big biz and especially big AI are getting, the government reduces their taxes, pays for the bailouts and gets saddled with the debt which is then passed to... those who elect it.

I agree – the freeloaders being the billionaire class.

Actually they just expect people with over a billion dollars to pay a lot more tax. And seeing as those people built so much wealth by raping society and exploiting people and through corruption I'd say it's the least that should happen to them.

The debt the US has is not due to hand outs, but whatever you say.

We produce more than anyone could want. We don't have a debt problem, we have a capital and resource allocations problem. Capitalists jerk themselves off with "capitalism dragged billions out of poverty", but when suddenly the idea of using that capital to provide everyone with basic necessities, you shit yourselves.

A true career politician

No they won’t as they have auto unions to protect

American auto unions largely aren't competing in the EV space. 80%+ of EVs sold in America aren't built using American union labor - Tesla at 60% sales is non-union, Rivian at 10%, Toyota imports EVs, Ford and Chevrolet build the Mach E and Equinox EV in Mexico

It doesn't refute GPs point. If foreign EVs are better than ICE vehicles manufactured by union labor, the unions are going to have a problem letting the foreign EVs in.

Good ol’ propaganda?

why is that your reflex? good ol' propaganda.

That’s what happens when the state intentionally heavily subsidized an industry to destroy existing competition

Dated take. China and BYD are doing a lot of things right that make this possible. A recent article showing how they're consolidating parts that passes the buck to consumers is a great example as to why they can sell 20% cheaper and still have higher margins.

Yes, but we're not talking about GM right now

No it's what happens when smart state intelligently subsidizes to bring down structural costs, while retarded state foolishly subsidizes to keep pork barrel jobs program going as legacy processes fall into uncompetitiveness. We had 30 years of PRC shock evidence now - everything PRC made cheap, remains cheap long after subsidies, because they structurally lower price floor vs western competition (generally) haven't.

subsidies is a very lazy argument, US subsidizes and protects even more and bails out car OEMs.

the real argument is efficiency, US cannot match efficiency and scale. Thats the root cause.


Yeah we can see that with Anthropic and OpenAI.

Is that why the US bans exports of EUV machines and Nvidia chips to China?

"They subsidize their industries. We protect local jobs." Totally different things.

Thought you were talking about the US.

It’s unavoidable, every country does it.

It’s the third time you’ve probed this question bud… Trino w/Iceberg is a good answer but not the only one here

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