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>The linear narrative of the evolution of human societies is dead

This is I guess one of the bigger problems with Graeber, like when he was attacking Silicon Valley he demonstrated he had absolutely no idea what he was arguing against.

Likewise, armchair reading of human social development has never appeared to be linear to me. Palace Economy > Crash > Temple Economy > Crash seems pretty damn standard. I was watching an old documentary on the socioeconomic development of Egypt and it looks like they discovered and rediscovered several important social and economic reforms, that were then lost and rediscovered by themselves and other societies over and over again.

The question is, was Graeber an idiot and just didn't know what he was talking about or was Graeber just another grifter like Hancock who relies on misrepresenting other peoples arguments for financial gain.


"linear" here means that the usual narrative is

hunter-gatherers → agriculture → permanent settlements → cities → states → civilization

the usual reasoning is

agriculture → surplus → settlement → religion/monumental architecture

it's not at all about civilizations and/or empires collapsing and being reborn in different shapes or social and economic reforms being rediscovered, that already implies some highly sofisticated form of society, while places like Göbekli Tepe predates the pyramids by 5.000 years


Again I don't see the comparison being made?

Like we known hunter gatherers had social hierarchy, settlements and crafts.

https://www.heritagedaily.com/2023/01/preserved-10500-year-o...

“These aren’t people that were struggling to survive. They were people confident in their understanding of this landscape, and of the behaviours and habitats of different animal species that lived there,” added Gray.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020ArchP..27..329T/abstra...

"Their social organization was complex and can even be compared with that of the Levantine Early Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) farming society."

It seems like Graeber was fighting a strawman?


Considering that the venn diagram of AI safety gooners and OpenAI is a circle, and that these idiots are starting to worship this stuff as a religion, expecting rational action from them is kind of ludicrous. For all we know Aella promised them a gangbang if they delayed the model a week.

They would never upset their AI eschaton by switching it off. If anything they need more ceremonial cult leaders.

Jimmy CIA here to sell you a new security product.

>has been repeatedly shown to allow unfriendly AI to escape containment:

Has it been shown, or has the cult simply updated their tenets to preclude AI containment?

I swear any idiot with the tiniest bit of security or networking experience could box up an LLM. Failing to do it properly is a choice.


It’s beyond absurdity at this point, but the marketing plan of “describe our poor sandbox design as powerful agent capabilities” clearly works.

More power than anything* the fibre usually comes later.

One going up near me is being built on the site of an old coal fired power plant. Lots of juice and an old dam for water. Theres not exactly 2000 cores of fiber out that way, but I am sure it will come eventually.

Theres some going into old paper mills and logging camps too, same sort of thing, near water, lots of juice, out of the way.

*Sometimes theres a simultaneous fibre buildout, or they are built where theres a lot passing through but its less of a concern afaik.


> More power than anything* the fibre usually comes later.

This depends a lot on the datacenter. Some are sited specifically around proximity to existing fiber, or more especially proximity to places where multiple fiber backbones intersect (e.g. carrier hotels / meet-me-rooms). There's a datacenter going up here in Reno to that exact effect, with a lot of the public complaints being “but why do we need a datacenter in the middle of town?” even though:

1) that's where multiple fiber backbones intersect

2) it's being built in a mixed commercial/industrial zone with other datacenters already there

3) the company building it has another datacenter dead smack in the middle of Downtown doing similar carrier hotel stuff, and the new one is an extension of that


>but our retrospective review identified other cases of external DNS access that it did not flag at the expected severity.

How after all this time have they not just spun up a DNS server inside the sandbox?

I detest that the stupidest people on the planet are the ones in charge of this stuff.


The AI would probably jump on DoH, what they need is proper decrypted inspection which I'm not particularly convinced they do with the stories that keep coming out

Easier to throw in 1.1.1.1 and call it a day

*explode

They should explode OpenAI? I don't want my FBI agent to get the wrong idea.

The order of operations here seems to be:

1. Albo goes to meet with Altman to discuss AI safety

2. Altman says "Yeah bro we hacked medicare"

3. Albo seemingly acts as Altmans stooge and lets everyone know that a hack took place, helping cement the AI danger narrative Altman has been pushing.

4. Police Taskforce is being put together now (indicating no hack was detected earlier, which seems unlikely for Medicare) at the say so of Altman to investigate.

There doesnt appear to be any evidence of a hack that has been presented, there doesnt appear to have been any detection of a hack earlier (it doesnt make sense for the government to hide a medicare hack until it can be used for OpenAI marketing)

Once again, the whole thing smells so bad.


Most people, especially governments, aren't positioned to analyse monopolies.

>Regulation can produce a monopoly, but lots of regulations also exist to keep natural monopolies in check.

My favourite example of this is Australias NBNCo.

Every midwit on the street capable of reading a newspaper would tell you, theres a NATURAL MONOPOLY on internet services, which is why Australia needed NBNCo.

However, the enabling legislation also made it a federal crime to overbuild the NBN, because the internet isnt a natural monopoly. We have also had calls to nationalise other fibre networks, and lots of cases of NBN overbuilding other networks.

The truth of it, is that Natural Monopoly is just a thought terminating cliche. There are barriers to entry to markets, but the only kind of monopoly is regulatory. Unless you regulate some dipshit will find a way to sneak a fibre through your power duct or something. If there was enough of an interest, we could have multiple power or water hookups too. There's no reason why we cant have competitive garbage collection, and theres probably somewhere on the planet that does. Even pit and pipe isnt a monopoly, I have seen plenty of places with multiple pit providers.


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