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There are two types of dichotomy: those which are autoreferring and sound, those which are absurd, and those which are really going too far.

What is STOA standing for here, please?

Likely a typo of State Of The Art.

That’s unavoidable given the goal: Unicode provides a unique number for every character, no matter what the platform, no matter what the program, no matter what the language.

https://www.unicode.org/standard/WhatIsUnicode.html


What does "every character" mean? Did it really need to include emojis, for example? Domino tiles? Alchemical symbols? A much smaller number of characters would have been sufficient for all but a tiny number of cases.

> What does "every character" mean? Did it really need to include emojis, for example?

You may be too young to remember, but there was a time when a lot of software had their own way to encode emoji if they supported them. This sucked for interoperability - especially when using common protocols like SMS.

Some of these implementations were essentially find/replace and would turn various strings of characters commonly occurring in code into emoji. Someone reading your mail containing code on their portable device or other weird client would see parts of that code replaced by emoji. Maybe you had to format your code a certain way, inserting spaces tactically, to avoid accidentally ending up with an emoji. I'm glad we put that behind us for the most part.

Living in a world where you can just copy-paste some text containing emoji (or not) from one software into another is honestly great. Same for all these other symbols that may be embedded into text.

If a software has to come up with their own text-embeddable encodings to represent symbols (to allow for copy-paste or sharing) things often end up less than optimal.


I take "every character" to mean "anything that was represented in a reasonably common pre-unicode code page or character encoding, as well as anything that might come up in OCR output of text documents".

Emojis obviously got in from Japanese character encodings, and imho the world is off better for that. Though many of the extensions of the emoji set really don't seem to get what emojis are used for. Similarly, chess and shogi pieces as well as symbols from Western playing cards go in through previous encodings, and domino tiles got accepted based on being conceptually similar. A bit questionable imho.

On the other hand the Azimuth sign seems to satifsy the "would appear in OCR scans", based on being published in font catalogues. Even if nobody has come forward with a book it appears in, I don't think they made and advertised lead type characters for fun. It has to have had some use in printed publications of some type (probably scientific, from the surrounding context)


>Natural languages are ambiguous. That's the reason why we created programming languages.

Programming languages can be ambiguous too. The thing with formal languages is more that they put a stricter and narrower interpretation freedom as a convention where it's used. If anything there are a subset of human expression space. Sometime they are the best tool for the job. Sometime a metaphor is more apt. Sometime you need some humour. Sometime you better stay in ambiguity to play the game at its finest.


Programming languages are non-ambiguous, in the sense that there is no doubt what will be executed. It's deterministic. If the program crashes, you can't say "no but this line was a joke, you should have ignored it". Your code was wrong, period.

>This is the VHS-versus-Betamax dynamic, or TCP/IP versus the OSI model, or QWERTY versus every ergonomic alternative proposed since 1936.

QWERTY has many variants, and every single geopolitical institution have their own odious anti-ergonomic layout, it seems. So this case is somehow different to my mind. As a French native, I use Bépo.


That's not generational. Living in France I can ensure you that in primary school, kids still learn and use cursive as main writing system. I wasn't even aware anyone would use anything else to write by hand in Latin script.

I'm curious to get information about how people write elsewhere and how does it look.


As for Germany, as far as I know only few states still teach cursive: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulausgangsschrift

The modern standard is a non-connected font https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundschrift


Yeah, no idea how print became handwriting and handwriting longhand/cursive, but that's how it is and has been for decades in the USA.

In the US, when I was in grade school we learned both, but almost all the kids chose to write in Latin script when given the option. I think we learned that first and it just stuck.

One day the school principal came into our class, pretty randomly, and tried to emphasize the importance of being proficient at reading and writing in cursive. It gave “old man yells at clouds” vibes at the time. Looking back, it wasn’t all that important.

My grandparents are of French decent and my grandfather’s cursive was very impressive. I may have been more interested in learning it in school if what we were learning was more aspirational, like his writing. We were taught the D'Nealian method[0], which I still find rather ugly for cursive. Their selling point to us was speed, not beauty, but I don’t know anyone who got quick with it.

I still remember a kid in my class who transferred from another school, I’m not sure where. His print handwriting was immaculate and beautiful. The teacher forced him to change to D'Nealian, even for his print writing, because that’s what was in the curriculum. It was so much worse. The kid was super upset about it. Here I am, 30+ years later still upset about it as well… and it wasn’t even me, I just witnessed the injustice. I felt really bad for him.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Nealian (cursive and print examples are here)


Went through school in the early 2000s in US. We were taught cursive (script), but I don't think I've used it since school.

Seems odd, in hindsight, to teach hand-written prose uses a different set of symbols than when its typed out


How fast can you write in cursive vs non-cursive? I am much slower in non-cursive when writing.

The only issue is that my cursive is pretty lousy looking.


I'd hedge to say roughly the same, but that's writing print in chicken-scratch handwriting (which is my norm) and under-practiced with cursive. I'd suspect after using cursive a bit I would speed up. Similar to using home-row when typing vs pick-and-peck or whatever they call it

My phone would transcribe even quicker than that, though, which would probably be my go-to instead of hand-writing


I find it hard to speak into my phone while I am in a live meeting and trying to summarize my instant thoughts for paper or my Remarkable :)

The word "generation" commonly refers to year of birth and cultural context (e.g. geographical location). So yes, it is generational


Not sure it would work in my case. I do love to take the very different freedom it brings. For example the mid bars of a t is often taken as an opportunity to go through above the whole word. But I wouldn't do it every single time, as it would feel too much overload.

I also don't write the same way on a post it ready to throw than in my little personal aphorism book, where I try to craft something where the form connects with the intended meaning.


> A Grand Seiko or a Nomos or a Patek is perhaps now even more interesting & identity-productive than a watch was in the 60s.

I have no idea what these brands sell and I give it so much importance I won't even bother make a search.

To my mind, this is a lose lose game. Society at large is being engaged into wasteful goals, and as all means are going to be useful in the game where all that matter is displaying more personal material whealths, general social outcomes are undermined: first bribery, then use of other mental coercion tools, then threats, then bare physical aggressions.

>As technologists I think we're prone to dismissing improvements that aren't engineering-backed.

No that's not about technology and engineering blindness. Technologies of course can serve best interests of general public and humanity at large. Or a improve efficiency of genocide. And social engineering can be used either to create isolation and hate between groups, or spread more solidarity, diversity being loved where it's open to reciprocal appreciation of differences, and many other virtuous bounds beyond local groups.

Not all life is story telling. Behind, there are real people with actual suffering and joys that goes beyond what even the most eloquent narrator can convey.


Brand are brittle. It takes a single CEO associated to some pedophile network or make a nazi salute and it's ready to plummet.

If the business really mainly on the technical merits of the product/service, even blank brand is an option. Many brand as a façade to a single plant is a different tradeoff.


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