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This is also the reason why I avoid using analogies when making an argument. Usually, instead of talking about the argument itself we end up discussing under what circumstances the analogy works and when it doesn't.


Interesting point (arguments do frequently devolve into pointless meta-arguments), but I'd be surprised if you can totally avoid analogies. Analogies are extremely powerful. They're arguably all we have when it comes to reasoning.

Ironically, Segal's Law, which you seem to approve of, is itself an analogy. I don't think anyone here is really concerned with knowing what time it is or whether or not it's a good idea to wear two watches.


> Analogies are extremely powerful.

Analogies are so powerful that you can often prove both X and not(X) simply by finding the fitting analogy.


I meant analogies in the formal sense, not... straw man analogies.


No, not really. It's like, if you go to the store and realize you forgot your wallet, would you say we're talking about a wallet? No, we're talking about a trip to the store.


What are you reading at the moment?


A book about finance (in print) and Isaacson's Ben Franklin bio (on audio).


> When I was a younger developer I thought tooling solved all problems. As I grew more experience I slowly changed my mind that some problem spaces require not only tooling but process change.

Lets take it one step further.

You start out thinking everything is tooling. As you grow more experienced you realize that everything is process. As you grow more experienced still, you realize that the world is really messy and rarely ever anything is everything.


Of course the world is messy and there are many variables. I still sit in the camp that documentation is a human problem that requires both tooling and process. I wish Outline luck but on the documentation side, its largely a human/process one.


> both tooling and process

so better tooling helps then?


Sure? The problem is largely a human/company culture/process problem and sure tooling can help remove friction but it does not fix the larger problem.


You mean those fleets that Musk claimed would have a 100% yield?


If they fire him, that will tank the value of the snake oil.


In the immediate term, yes. But there has to be some point at which an objective board would see that terminating their relationship with Musk would be a long term positive.

I’m not saying we’re there yet but it does feel like we’re marching towards it (I'm also not saying the Tesla board are objective because I doubt they are)


If they fired Musk, he would wage a never-ending scorched earth campaign against Tesla, and as an executive he definitely has access to a lot of internal information that would allow him to inflict a ton of damage. At this point their only practical choice is to maintain the status quo by submitting to his demands.


This is so stupid but you’re probably correct. The board will do whatever he wants because that is the nature of having no collective spine. You cannot stand up.


That point is when Tesla starts declining in absolute terms. And Tesla grew 35% in 2023. To be a long-term positive, dismissing Musk should produce even higher growth rates- which sounds extremely implausible. Conversely, the probability of Tesla falling into irrelevance in a future without Musk is extremely high.


He's not immortal. I assume that when there's a risk of him disappearing from the picture, Tesla investors will be heading for the lifeboats, tanking it in the process.


He posted an apology because he failed. If he had succeeded we would've said "it was very difficult but it was the right thing to do"


HN loves telling everyone how HN is just for high quality content...

... unless people from SV are involved, in which case HN is flooded with gossip and drama.


I do agree that some merging of the threads (like the Verge article and the Twitter post) is in order.


Isn't ego the enemy of growth or whatever? Projection...


I would event go as far as say that the main reason behind the tweet is not to show regret, but to plant the idea that he didn't orchestrate but only participate.


How is it even supposed to make money, now that you mention it?


Adverts cost $450k a day (according to gaming articles on Xbox's advert in October), they also have 18,600 seats inside the LV Sphere for "immersive experiences".


Pay me tickets to watch my ads. I want a business like that.


I don't like the sphere but to be fair to them, I think it's haptic-heavy movies from what I remember reading! Sort of like a giant IMAX I guess.


In the 70s and 80s we had Cinema 180 and Dimension 360, everything old is new again.


I thought it was some kind of venue inside the dome, and that the outside was sort of promos for the events and/or general adverts


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