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Direct evidence, mountains of it, of government coercion of media and tech, we have the emails, they are public records, and people sre still trapped in their bubble of propaganda (or are paid shills).

The experimental gene therapy that was all but mandated, clear coercion, clear violations of informed consent, clear emails of fauci lying under oath concerning government funding gain of function research -- and it just goes on and on, the evidence is voluminous, and yet there are still people here ignorant (at best its ignorance) of all this evidence and still peddle petty lies that what happened didn't actually happen.

Completey, 100%, disgusting, immortal, unethical, outrageous behavior. And ill be the one silenced. HN commentators... look in the mirror and own up to the truth.


If you are referring to the vaccine as “experimental gene therapy”, it places you in the crackpot territory for anyone knowledgeable about immune vaccine research. Who knows if the rest of your “mountains of evidence “ exist when you lead with nonsense.


Er, no, they're right. These were the first ever mRNA vaccines, the technology wasn't even safe to use in 2018 (IIRC there was some sort of breakthrough fix to the lipid nanoparticle in 2019 that dealt with its toxicity).

Even the adenovirus-vector vaccines are very new, the first time that technology was ever successfully used as in an Ebola vaccine created in 2015. I think the covid ones were the second time it was successfuly used.


> Er, no, they're right.

Er, no, they are wrong. It's not a gene therapy, and it being the first large-scale application doesn't make it experimental.


Experimental gene therapy huh? Go back to 4chan friend.


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Where I'm from, in the 1960, the child mortality rate was ~225 per thousand. If you had 4 child, one was almost guaranteed to die before the age of 5. My grandparents had 7 children. 6 survived. It was the reality for literally every household.

Today the rate is ~25 per thousand. Look up the definition of vaccine in the dictionary and you'll know why.


Most vaccines do not wholly prevent the disease they vaccinate against. A few - like the rabies vaccine - do, mostly because they're slow-moving diseases that the body has plenty of time to mount a defense against, but many do not. In fact, the namesake of vaccines - the use of cowpox to vaccinate against smallpox - didn't confer immunity, just resistance.

Is the covid vaccine effective at reducing the chance of contracting, and the severity of cases of, covid? Yes. And that is what vaccines typically do. As for stopping its spread: the original vaccine came very close to herd immunity against Alpha, yes. What it didn't stop (but did mitigate) was Delta, which evaded some of the proteins it targeted and which was so much more contagious that even substantial protection wasn't enough for R << 1.

As for the word "vaccine": a vaccine is a deliberate exposure of the body to an infectious agent or a component of such in order to sensitize the immune system against it. The covid vaccine, which exposes the body to a protein that is a component of covid (an infectious agent) qualifies. The delivery method is novel, but the principle - using a component of an infectious agent to sensitize the immune system - is the same.


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