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The image referencing "Haussystem Didot" is an example of a catalog not containing the Angzarr symbol in question.

I did not find any evidence for earlier examples in any of the very few scans I looked at, nor does a search through the Google Books scans give any indication for words that seem related to the concept.

This would be such a fantastic find! Could you point out a specific example?


I'm sorry, but I don't understand your comment at all. The linked article does not refer to Didot, nor does the Wikipedia page for the glyph in question.

Neither the wikipedia page for the Didot family, nor for Histoire générale des voyages shows the Angzarr symbol, I've carefully checked on all the scans on these pages. In fact, any occurrence of the symbol would pre-date the current earliest known example (1963) by 200 years, and that would be a great find. If you have an actual reference, please let us know!


Check the photos in the article, specifically this one [1]

"Haussystem Didot", the title of the catalog, refers to a letter setting by the printing agency Didot, which is the one I linked on wikipedia.

The Gallica scans are linked in the wikipedia article. Each of those chapters has hundreds of pages.

I highly doubt that you eye scanned thousands of pages in French handwritten and mixed typesetted ... within less than a day. You definitely must be lying, they take months to read.

[1] https://ionathan.ch/assets/images/angzarr/Berthold%201900.jp...


> The Gallica scans are linked in the wikipedia article. Each of those chapters has hundreds of pages.

I went through a bit of it and saw no instance of the symbol. If it's in there, would you mind saying which chapter and which page? Or some hint about what context people could find it in? The maps I saw (maps were pretty easy to find, too, since most of the page numbers for them are "NP") didn't seem to use this symbol.


Neither did I read all these pages nor did I pretend to.

> Neither the wikipedia page for the Didot family, nor for Histoire générale des voyages shows the Angzarr symbol, I've carefully checked on all the scans on these pages.

You have linked these two Wikipedia pages[1][2], implying that they confirm your extraordinary claims of how obvious and well-known this symbol is. I could in fact check within a single day that the symbol does not appear on any of the 15 images linked in these pages.

So unless you can produce evidence for your claim that "that symbol was used as a notation symbol in those star charts and azimutal maps?", it is quite disingenuous to expect anyone to take it seriously. Expecting someone else to read "thousands of pages" to confirm or deny YOUR claim makes it even less worthy of consideration.

If you do have actual, material evidence for your claims, everyone in this thread would very much like to see it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didot_family [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale_de...


That's great and all, but the point is that there still isn't a single known (to the community of people trying to find the origins of that symbol, so, safe to say, the vast majority of people in general) appearance of the character in the actual text (i.e. used for its purpose), so if you have an example of a map/book/anything where this character was used, providing the link/scan/photo would be very appreciated.


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I've worked for 15 years as a freelance Python/Django developer, in projects both big and small. I've created entire projects myself, including front-end and hosting; and I've integrated in teams in roles ranging from team lead to devops specialist. I have worked with Python, Django, numpy, SQL, JS and Typescript, Angular, Java, C++, Jenkins, k8s, and most everything in-between; in recent years I've started doing work on LLMs and GenAI in general.

If you have an interesting project, email me at [email protected] and we'll talk!


Back when we played the original game, there was a bug that leads to underflow in the money. You had to build a tunnel that spanned the entire width of the map, which would cost just more than 2 billion dollars, underflowing and giving you 2 billion instead. Afterwards, the game was a pure sandbox, and that's the only way I played it as a kid.

Still one of the best games ever!


Omg I remember discovering that bug.


This looks really nice and people interested in mathematical computing should try it out. I certainly will.

Apparently many commenters here do not understand the word "alternative", which means "a thing that you can choose to do or have out of two or more possibilities", and instead take it as "equal in every respect".


I love that! Argparse is such an old and boring solution to such a simple problem that we need more like this. And I have hope that one of the solutions will make it into the standard library at some point.

There are some others like yours:

Google's python-fire (1)

Docopt (2), which creates the cli from the documentation instead of the other way around

Click (3)

And my own commandeer (4)

Typer (5)

(1) https://github.com/google/python-fire (2) http://docopt.org/ (3) https://click.palletsprojects.com/en/8.0.x/ (4) https://pythonhosted.org/Commandeer/index.html (5) https://typer.tiangolo.com/


This is a pet peeve of mine: csv was a bad format already when it was created, because it intermixes data with meta data, ie it uses characters that can appear as either data or control characters, leading to escaping issues. This is in addition to being under specified as to which characters are used as control characters.

It was outdated from the start because ASCII already has specific characters for file, group, record, and item separation. Using this would give broad compatibility and a wider feature set (eg. more than one table in a file) while retaining all the benefits of csv.


If you liked this, you might also like

"Friendship is optimal" (https://www.fimfiction.net/story/62074/Friendship-is-Optimal)

And

"the metamorphosis of Prime Intellect (https://web.archive.org/web/20040401174623/http://www.kuro5h..., strongly NSFW)

Both are stories about a singularity that turns the world into a simulation, in which some can program the simulation.


There's also "Ra" - https://qntm.org/ra


Panasonic has duplex document scanners in various price ranges, starting from about 300 €, and they are all Linux compatible with one sane SANE driver. They scan super quick and easy and work very reliably.


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