Cars also suck and we’d be better off if our cities were t designed around them

Agreed, but trucks will remain the workhorse of our freight industry all the way to the last mile in our cities. AI is in a similar position behind the scenes.

I’m happy to hear of design ideas to reduce slop on the internet that doesn’t involve a direct attack on the underlying technology.

I love this article on the topic: https://aftermath.site/ai-slop-hobbies-in-software-emulation...

Thank you for sharing — yes, this is exactly the feeling I have. The end product is not what got me excited about all the projects I used to see here; the inspiring part was the human element itself, and AI effectively removes all but the most superficial traces of that.

People wanted it, the protests were historically big. It’s billionaires, the politicians they buy, and the people influenced by the media they own that are opposed.

Ok sure, not in the eyes of the law. But ethically

I argue that while it is possible to direct AI to implement your artistic gameplay idea faithfully, it is not possible to direct AI towards an artistic vision without losing a lot in the handling of the details.

There’s no right vs wrong, for art the details Are the fun part.

I’m enough of a sucker to think that there’s art in code as well (not just the game design but implementation too) but clearly less and it’s not nearly as visible.

Art is more artistic, it’s more of an expression of human ideas.

I don’t want AI either but I find AI art more offensive

> You simply choose to dislike it.

Too reductive.

I choose to dislike the taste of cilantro, but that choice is wired into many people and doesn’t present as a choice at all: it is instinctual.

Completely aside, but you maybe haven't even chosen to dislike cilantro. Some people have some gene configuration that make them taste cilantro like soap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OR6A2

Yeah, I chose that example on purpose because of this.

“choice” rarely factors, since I technically could choose to continue consuming it despite disliking it- which is pretty much what the parent is suggesting.

I didn’t say you had to.

And machine screws are a lot less art that art is, obviously, so I don’t think that comparison helps your case. Screws are the code equivalent in the analogy.

My point is that some object created by an automated process that serves its purpose should not be offensive. You can absolutely have a preference, but offended? On what grounds is something created by AI inherently offensive? And how can that be uniquely applied to art but not software?

If you think the only point of art is to serve a functional purpose, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree

Well, other than the fact that it’s art-shaped extrude, not art.

I find it hard to imagine that it would be possible to be less ethical than the US labs.

This fear mongering doesn’t scare me

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Dinner + tip is not $200, parking is not $50, I live in a city lol

See that's the problem, you live IN the city, and you're not afraid of the city, so you know how it really is.

I've gotten the "Parking is too expensive and hard to find" from friends when I try and get them to come into the city to hang out. No, come to my apartment, park in the plentiful free protected street parking right out front, and then we'll walk the 5 minutes to the center of downtown.

Your friends just don't want to hangout.

There are different ways of approaching doing something:

"To do X requires me to do this and that. So heres how I'll do this and that to get to X. "

"I can't do X because it requires me to do this and that. "

There's a big difference between the 2. The latter is a lie, they just don't want to do what is required to do that. Its a way of phrasing things so people don't feel bad and they don't have to admit they don't want to do something.

Start looking for it and you'll see it in a lot of exchanges.

Dinner + tip can easily reach $200 if you're talking about a fancy restaurant for date night, even with just a single drink each. $50 for parking is crazy, that's like a music festival price or something.

Of course, if you live in the kind of city where the above is true, then a very delicious dinner + tip can usually be had for $50-75, it just won't be as fancy.

You don't have to go to fancy restaurants for a date you know. Maybe for your anniversary. People who insist on fancy everything are probably not worth the trouble.

50 is steep for parking, but between dinner/drinks/rideshare, you can pretty quickly hit $250 on a nice-but-not-crazy date night in my HCOL city.

Yeah, if you’re getting three drinks each and an uber sure. I don’t think it’s an insane amount to spend.

It was framed as ‘Every Activity’ costs that much though which is just not true.

I live in the boonies and dinner + tip (and drinks) for two can easily be $200. Parking is free here because, ya know, boonies and whatnot.

That's eating at an expensive place. I paid $60 for two at a local restaurant last week, that's including an appetizer.

At what, Applebees?

The nice Indian place you are talking is probably hiring some students/illegal immigrants and paying them peanuts.... They do similar with motels.

And, no food isn't that cheap in the city.

I live in Seattle and think you are using outlier places to prove an incorrect point. You are also not favoring in alcohol prices.

It is legitimately expensive to go out to places here. I just pay it because I can, but to act otherwise is burying your head in the sand.

Hey no totally I agree, 15/sandwich is so much more than I remember and 12/drink is nuts. With inflation and cost of living here it’s like double what I remember from 2018 ‘burbs. I’m not trying to say it’s necessarily cheap.

But as someone lucky enough to be able to eat out almost every day at a variety of restaurants I have no trouble staying under 35/person without drinks. That place is not an outlier.

And like, fancy cocktails are nice but I don’t think you can say that it’s impossible to go out and do anything without spending $500 like OP claimed.

It's not hard to spend $200. But OP suggested that it was the standard going rate and that it's unaffordable to them.

I'm in the bay area and dinner for two is absolutely nowhere close to $200 unless you are going somewhere fancy or ordering many drinks. Looking at my transaction history, it's closer to about $40 per person.

Prices have risen faster than wages but $200 is a choice. They simply have high standards and treat it like poverty.

The change in lifestyle expectations should be as well documented as the changes in social contact.

Depends on the city. Here you can have a really nice time out for two people for $250.

Which city? Downtown Austin? Seattle?

Those are the exact two I’ve lived in actually