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This is an outrageous comment. It makes no sense, you seem to think nothing should improve.. If you see a single food system causing disease over and over, like what happened with mad cow disease, we should stop it.

If you see a single restaurant chain use horrible ingredients for humans, trans fats, far too many preservatives, high fructose corn syrup, over and over, you should never eat there again. I've personally cut out mcdonalds, and the fast food garbage restaurants. It doesn't mean every restaurant is bad, it means some restaurant models are bad. I still eat shawarma, I still eat indian and thai, and my family still owns an italian restaurant where we also don't try to poison our customers with horrible ingredients.

If you're comparing police to restaurants, then let me ask you, then on a scale of Taco Bell to El Buli, where does the current american system police system lie on the scale? I'd argue it's more like at the dumpster outside of your local mcdonalds.


I don't think the comment was meant to exclude him or herself from humanity. I interpreted the sentence as inclusive of him or herself, but riddled with shame for our species, ie: why do you human beings like trash tv?


Who in this entire thread is saying anything about Obamacare?

Look at what other countries are doing, do you hear them having "obamacare?"

Stop comparing your current medical system to worse systems. Start comparing it to other, better systems. Look at Canada and the UK.

You would pay EVEN LESS than you do now.


Other countries have price caps on their procedures. This makes sense to make the price for a procedure the same across hospitals. It's the same work. Marketing and Sales people should not be involved in the pricing structure of healing a broken leg.


You know healthcare isn't just dental and eye exams right? Canada covers 100% of everything that isn't dental and eye exams.

Also, your insulin shot doesn't cost $1000+ in Canada either. You're a troll, bolstering false information.


Doesn't cover prescription drugs.


I think they mean they tested "everyone they could"


Yeah, everyone is criticizing China for hiding numbers early on. Why is nobody criticizing the politicians in the rest of the world who weren't even authorizing testing?


You're basically saying, a) should we care less today and let the virus spread more? OR b) should we care less in the future and let the poor bastards dope themselves to death?

Perhaps the solution is: Save as many people as you can today then, and when there is an economic downturn we should do a better job helping people get off drugs by talking to them and treating them, helping develop new markets, reaching out to young poor communities.

I feel like half of your problems listed are solved by hiring more therapists and psychiatrists. It sounds more like America has a lack of caring for it's people rather than anything else.


> You're basically saying, a) should we care less today and let the virus spread more? OR b) should we care less in the future and let the poor bastards dope themselves to death?

I think this is a really callous way of putting it, and it's only valid if you accede to the empathetic framing. The point of my original comment is to show that there is an econometric argument against the empathetic framing, even for one intended to allow empathy to dictate their opinion.

> I feel like half of your problems listed are solved by hiring more therapists and psychiatrists.

Part of any rational decision process asks about the costs of the different options. The cost of this economic recession will be high; the cost of improving mental health infrastructure would have been much lower.

> Perhaps the solution is: Save as many people as you can today then, and when there is an economic downturn we should do a better job helping people get off drugs by talking to them and treating them, helping develop new markets, reaching out to young poor communities.

Why decide to pay both costs when only one needed to be paid?


Look, do your analysis to find out what it cost, but under no circumstance should anyone be saying savings lives isn't, "worth it"

Health insurers are hugely part of the problem in America and should not be looked up to, as an example for how to behave in a crisis.

Other countries have figured it out how to take care of each other as a decent society.


We're also betting on it not having any mutations .. the more people it sees, the more paths it can take as it replicates..


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