I love how Tiananmen square is always brought up as some unique and tragic example of disinformation that could never occur in the west, as though western governments don't do the exact same thing with our worldview. Your veneer of cynicism scarcely hides the structure of naivety behind.

The difference is that, in the west, there's an acceptable counter narrative. I can tell you that Ruby Ridge and Waco never should've happened and were examples of government overreach and massacre of it's own citizens. Or <insert pet issue with the government here>

You can't with Tiananmen square in China

> Tiananmen square

The Tiananmen Square killings happened independent of one's "worldview".

What's an example of "the exact same thing" done to OpenAI models by western governments?

I certainly understand this perspective.

But is it really so hard to imagine a world where your individual choice to "opt-out" or work for companies that don't use that info is a massive detriment to your individual life? It doesn't have to be every single company doing it for you to have no _practical_ choice about it (if you want to make market rate for your services.)

I live my life by the “Ben Kenobi” principal. I’m 51, when things go completely to shit, I’ll just go out and live as a hermit somewhere.

Ah the ol’ “fuck you got mine” approach

Exactly what am I suppose to do? I vote for politicians who talk about universal healthcare, universal child care, public funding of college education and trade schools etc.

But the country and the people who could most benefit from it are more concerned with whatever fake outrage Fox News comes up with an anti woke something or the other.

So yeah, if this is the country America wants, I’m over it. I’ve done my bid.

While other people talk about leaving the country, we are seriously doing research and we are going to spend a month and a half outside of the US this year and I’ve already looked at residency requirements in a couple of countries after retirement including the one we are going to in a month and a half.

> Exactly what am I suppose to do?

I think GP is suggesting that you're supposed to do something akin to what Ben Kenobi did while aboard the Death Star, not what he did beforehand.

This, in no way, represents my own feelings or opinion on this matter. I'm just trying to aid the conversation.

No, I was being snarky and that was a mistake and I apologize. For some reason I thought the person above was happy or okay with the current state and can just fck off if/when it affects them negatively.

I basically did what they plan on doing. I fcked off because my country was already too far gone. But I always always make sure I will never talk positively or be in denial about the state it’s in. America isn’t there (yet). What made me snarky was the mistaken hypocrisy.

Ah yes, can't wait to tell my auditor / regulator "I don't understand the code because Claude wrote it, but it's fine, because understand the code is for boomers." That will get a big laugh in a deposition.

That'll be anachronistic too obviously. Your tests will be audited.