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Did you read the article? Convergent vs divergent thinking.


You misunderstood. It's not "Pizza" that was looked down upon in Italy, it was "toppings on pizza".

There are 3 official types of Neapolitan pizza, for example, and none of them have any of what Americans would traditionally consider "toppings".

Putting anything other than tomato sauce, mozzarella, and seasonings on a Neapolitan pie is, simply, "looked down upon".


> Neapolitan pie

It's a bit ironic you would put these two words together in your comment. No one would call a Neapolitan pizza a pie -- that word probably originates from deep dish (aka Chicago style) pizza, which actually resembles a pie.


Pizza pie was used for decades before the invention of the deep dish. https://www.crustkingdom.com/why-is-pizza-called-pie/


There is more to Italian pizza than Neapolitan pizza.

Roman pizza is distinctly different. It's either Focaccia-like thick and made in rectangular pans, or round, thin and crispy, much closer to NY-style pizza, and much more adventurous with the toppings.

If anyone in Italy looks down on Roman-style pizza, they're idiots.


In fact, nobody does... really. Nobody


Github will bail on large diffs, too.


Do you use Gitlab? Everybody on HN loves to love Gitlab because they're the underdog, and the product isn't bad, but it's not that great either.


Yes, I use it for personal projects. I also use a company-hosted version at work. The built in CI is great. I can't think of a reason, other than price for companies, why to use GitHub over gitlab. Both are great, but gitlab's built-in CI I think is easier to use and better integrated.


How do you come to that conclusion?


Baloney. All the major clouds offer managed k8s. And using k8s in no way precludes you from integrating with services that are not on k8s (of course though, k8s can run anything you can containerize). So AWS has vastly more "lock-in" debt than k8s.


To replace an AWS service, you just plug in a different service integration, or use a literal API complete clone. To replace the use of any part of K8s with something non-K8s, you basically have to replace all your use of anything in K8s. So the debt is much higher with k8s because it takes much more engineering work to get off it and it's not compatible with anything but itself.

Furthermore, just because someone has a managed k8s doesn't make it less lock-in or less work. With AWS you don't need to use a cluster of anything. With k8s you are signing yourself up to tons of complex services and specific design and operation paradigms. With AWS you have no such inherent restrictions.

K8s is inherently more complex and difficult to use than AWS services, which aren't even a good comparison because they are so simple by comparison.


> Start out on AWS/GCP/Azure in the initial phase when you want to optimize for velocity in terms of pushing out new functionality and services.

Have you ever done this? It's exorbitantly hard to migrate off of a cloud provider, and few ever do.


I agree that migrating off a cloud provider can be very hard. However, architecting your system with portability in mind can help a lot, as rumanator points out:

> I think building somewhat cloud-agnostic to ease friction of provider migration is good

Of course, that's not always an option if the system is already built, but it's definitely a good approach.


I have and It’s only hard if things aren’t dockerized imo. If everything is in something like cloud foundry it will be much harder.

If you don’t have heavy AD and policies in place even better.


+1 on containerization, and I would add that controlling your container orchestration service (particularly ingress and security) is another key factor. Whether someone uses Docker Swarm or Kubernetes, this setup enables anyone to redeploy their entire applications at a blink of an eye, regardless of which cloud service provider you use.


If your entire infra is dockerized, you are in the vast minority and should probably be discarded as an outlier.


glass houses...


Eating of meat and sugar are responsible for much more. No need to vilify those whose vices you don't share.


General public isn’t scared of those things, so they would’ve made a poor example.


i have got to ask, i understand the sugar part, but the meat? Are you referring to the red meat or the fat in meat? Could you elaborate on the meat part?


It's not just that meat and sugar are unhealthy, but also that presence of meat and sugar correlate with absence of healthier foods, such as vegetables, legumes, seeds, fruits and nuts.


Referring to particular foods as "healthy" or "unhealthy" is reductionist and unscientific. All foods have both positive and negative effects. Certain meats are generally quite good, at least in moderation, particularly for getting high quality protein. Eating too many Brazil nuts can cause acute selenium poisoning.

Be more specific. If you want to convince anyone here then please cite high quality studies which actually meet evidence-based medicine criteria. All of the studies so far which claim to show meat is unhealthy were badly flawed observational studies which relied on subject reported data, lacked proper controls, and only showed very small effects.


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There is still much scientific controversy and no real consensus. Much of what passes for nutrition "science" is basically junk. To be more specific, hardly any studies justify an "A" grade recommendation according to evidence-based medicine criteria.

https://guides.library.stonybrook.edu/evidence-based-medicin...

There are many people who follow carnivore diets who seem quite healthy. It's ridiculous to assume that we know the right answer when so much research remains to be done.

As for sausage versus vegetables, you'll have to be more specific. Those are two very broad categories of food and the exact effects will vary tremendously depending on specific ingredients, cooking, the eater's genetics and microbiome, etc.


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You know that dietary cholesterol has no relation to blood cholesterol levels, right? You know that the saturated fat myth--started by the sugar industry--was debunked, right?


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If meat were really so obviously bad for you, then Inuit should be keeling over from atherosclerosis by their 30s or so. They don't.

(If you're unaware, the Inuit diet is very heavily meat-based; there just simply isn't a lot of opportunities for plants in the High Arctic. They're getting sufficient vitamin C from meat, which is actually moderately difficult!)


Isn't it interesting that meat provides all essential amino acids and fatty acids. And not some complex combination of various food groups like a vegan diet must include, just red meat. Meanwhile there are no essential carbohydrates.


Really? What is eating meat and sugar responsible for?


Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc. STDs are _nothing_.


In absence of a caloric surplus / chronic overfeeding, also known as energy poisoning, you have absolutely no proof for the claim. There isn't even an association, let alone causation.

And it would be naive to think that eliminating added sugar and meat would prevent people from eating too much.

Which actually beats dying of starvation, which is what people used to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ — comparing food with cigarettes or viruses is completely ridiculous.


It would be historically correct, though.


What do you mean by "historically correct"?

You mean blaming sugar or meat when historically people started eating too much, in the 20th century, due to food availability?


Everything has become more abundant recently - clean water, vegetable, meat, fat, sugar, even clean water.

And less hunger too. I remember yawning repeatedly / feeling faint when I was younger but didn't know what I hungry until my mum pointed it out.

So you can't point to one or two food groups and claim their current abundance cause obesity.

Well, except white sugar lol.


id instead point to high fructose corn syrup. even more sugary than white sugar, and it's in basically all junk food instead of white sugar


Show us a reliable study comparing table sugar with HCFS that can confirm what you're saying.

You won't find any.


In absence of guns being fired at people, guns are completely safe. There isn't even an association, let alone causation.

> And it would be naive to think that eliminating added sugar and meat would prevent people from eating too much.

I guess that people could still gorge themselves on potato chips, popcorn... Maybe a few other foods? But surely it's clear that 90%+ of overeating occurs with meat and sugar?


Comparing guns to food is also completely ridiculous.

FYI 100 grams of walnuts has 654 kcal, roughly equivalent to 350 grams of French fries, or... 400 grams of chicken breast, which also happens to have 124 grams of protein, which no natural vegan source can match. Or 650 grams of cod w/ 148 grams of protein.

Show me the people that got fat from eating boiled chicken breast or cod. Show me the studies that show any kind of association between lean meat and disease for that matter.

Also 500 grams of watermelon, which we can easily eat at a single meal has 150 kcal and about 6 teaspoons of sugar (fructose and sucrose).

Show me the people that got fat or sick from eating too much watermelon.

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100% of the people that got fat or sick also breathe air and walk around. Maybe they should stop breathing, no?

That's not a correlation unless you can show the variables are dependent.

Show me the studies showing dependence. I'll wait.


I have no idea which point you think I'm making. I'm certainly not claiming that boiled chicken breast is unhealthy. Cod is healthy, and not meat.

The point I'm trying to make is that it is a challenge to overeat on a diet that doesn't contain meat or (added) sugar.

And since overeating is a major cause of obesity, diabetes and heart disease, it's fair to say that meat and sugar are responsible. Without meat and (added) sugar, we would not have the current level of obesity in the west.

I'm specifically not claiming that meat or sugar is unsafe in any quantity.


Meat is almost never a problem for overeating. Where are you getting that idea?


Coda does.


As does HTMLPad 2020, the closest I've found to a Coda clone on Windows. (It's not as good as Coda but it gets the job done.)

That said, neither app has the WYSIWYG editing that DreamWeaver had. But I've always preferred to hand ode my HTML anyway.


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