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What a letdown.

After having spent (way too much) time in automotive interior and UI-design and leaving the field based on the realization that classic car design organisations across almost all manufacturers are mostly driven by "aesthetics" and gimmicky "tech"-quirks but do not seem to care about actual usability and utility, i had high hopes that Ive would be the one to come up with an interior that actually makes sense.

This might be harsh, but I'm afraid, this will have the same effect on the car industry as Liquid Glass will spill nonsensical decoration for effect's sake across software outside of Apple, taking years to clean up.

Starting with the Steering wheel - Indicators as buttons, really? Then the control modules on the wheel: Good luck figuring out how to use the ACC. Zero buttons for Volume, Prev/Next or even OK/Cancel to navigate anything - meaning you'll have to take your hands off the wheel for almost everything.

Plus, it's a very thin rim and for a performance car not the best choice IMHO.

Good thing though there's ginormous paddles for "torque control". </s>

The instrument cluster is a giant housing for three display areas that are anything but modern, aka Retrobore and in some cases not very good or clear - eg. tire pressure or the three scales in the power dial per mode that are very similar and probably too technical for most users.

I hope there's going to be some customization.

For the head unit itself, while it's nice having the option to swivel the unit it seems overengineered for a secondary feature.

While I'm happy to see physical switches and a rotary dial, the choice for what is being used as switches seems not ideal since the length of the switches might make it hard to use. People won't feel a shape/form and press it, but rather have to put in some muscular effort to hit the switch from the top or bottom and at the right angle - even if you can rest your palm on the handle of the unit.

As for visual design within the UI it almost seems unfinished and not very polished, let alone "luxurious" - especially the climate control screen.

Overall a missed opportunity that carries on the clutter we see today coming out of car manufacturers and neglects core utility in the automotive context.

It's neither focused and clean like most Apple products have been designed nor very emotional or even close to being "Ferrari".

It's the same problem as with everything automotive interior today (and for way too long already):

Decisions driven by automotive-/industrial designers who are caring for sculptural appearances first.

I sincerely hope that at some point we can see this as a chapter from the past - at a point in time where the DRIVER/passengers and ACTUAL utility are paramount and developed with software (and it's established rules about usabililty and affordance) being an integral part.

To add some more snark: Maybe Ive should care less about being chauffered in a Bentley and spend some actual time behind the wheel.

Showing myself out now.

</rant>


Guess I’m not in a position in telling Apple how to structure their product offering and choice isn’t a bad thing IMHO.

But I’d highly encourage you to have a look into which Apple pencil is compatible to which iPad.

Choice, yes, a mess - no.


I should not have gone down that rabbit hole. Why is Apple selling three variants of the Apple Pencil and then the Apple Pencil Pro as well.

The first generation comes with a Lightning adapter and a USB-C to Apple Pencil Adapter (required to pair and charge with iPad (A16) and iPad (10th generation). What are those adapters doing?

It is compatible with the "iPad Pro 9.7-inch" which I presume is the first generation iPad Pro but why does it not state the generation like they do with the iPad Pro 12.9-inch? Why state "iPad (A16)" but not use the 11th generation?

Thanks for raising my blood pressure! But I had fun doing so.


No Apple Pencil Ultra? What a missed opportunity.


And try getting Apple Care for them without buying an iPad at the same time.


The Pencil is covered through the Apple Care of your iPad, even when purchased separately.

Using a Pencil without an iPad and wanting Apple Care on it is a bit of a niche use case. And do you really need Apple Care on a $79/$99/$129 product?


I wanted to add a Pencil to an existing iPad.

Company policy required me to get AppleCare for the new device, there was no way to add it to just the Pencil. At least on the India site.


It will go down in HN-history as the one exception, where it was ok to not use the page title verbatim.


I read the article and was disappointed that the full "word" got cut off, but I know that somewhere, there's a German out there who will post something even longer.


I’m German and think the idea to compound words into one should not really count as the longest / a long word. I mean yes it is but also it isn’t. Like: “ Grundstücksverkehrsgenehmigungszuständigkeitsübertragungsverordnung” In the end it’s just slapping words together and count it as one.


Agree


That was the original idea on how the icon should be used but obviously too subtle.

Moylan basically added a modifier icon for clarity.


What is alienating to me is how a “chinese” owner seems so much worse than any other nationality in this discussion.

How is this different from anybody else?


> and Ive’s utter disdain for Dye’s talent, leadership, and personality.

Ive was the one handing him that role within design at Apple bleeding into and ultimately taking over a significant influence over their whole product line from a UI standpoint - if he disdains him that much, he had all the power to right his wrong.

Anyone here with insights on how this came about and Dye stayed in that role for so long?


Margaret to the rescue!


The iPod comparison is a bit apples vs oranges.


The CEO confessing in trial that their core product is useless and unwanted to escape consequences of their conduct.

Just wow.



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