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now to get designers to actually use these things.

Figma has a bunch of good tooling, but getting designers to use it, and use it consistently, is the real problem.

Designers exist in a realm seemingly, where outside pressure can't really be put on it from an organizational level to get them to uniformly adopt a set of standards they will always adhere to. Every company I have worked at, big, medium, small, seems to have this problem


To me, things like mobile-first responsive design and grid-based graphic design thinking are core components of designing for the web, so it's a bit wild to me that Figma, with such popularity, is just now getting grids, and as far as I'm aware no GUI tool has ever succeeded at building a capable visual responsive design tool close to on-par with just designing in the browser.


This does not seem that surprising to me.

Browsers are by and large black boxes—less because of their architecture and more because of the sheer size of the code, although Firefox, for example, seems to have been moving towards a less open architecture for most of its history as well (deCOMtamination, death of XULRunner, Quantum, etc.).

What you really want in a parametric web design tool is to crack open the layout engine and the CSS cascade and inheritance, at the very least. That’s a lot of work to target a demographic of designers and programmers who by now have largely decided to ignore CSS in favour of reinventing inline styles badly (Tailwind) and insert markup as necessary for the desired visual effect. (Is there a tool to do CSS in terms of React/etc. components, with proper cascading, custom pseudoclasses and pseudoelements and so on? I haven’t seen one.)


those are layout grids and not grid layout (huge difference!)


You're right, I used a wrong link, fixed now. So Figma has both.



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It is not possible to use the scroll on that website (working well on Firefox though).


I came here to say this. Made me close the page after reading a few paragraphs. People need to stop fiddling with styling scroll bars.


I made it expand on hover now.


Chrome?


Yep, I'm also seeing a 2px scrollbar that does not expand.


Oh yes, sorry. This is a form-over-function detail that I added to the website to mimic the app.

I did not, however, invest the time to make it expandable. I thought that people anyway don't use the scroll bar that much, and for quick navigation there is the table of contents on the left.

I'll see if I can make it more accessible!


You can't (unless there's a trick I don't know) change the width of the scrollbar when hovering over it. However... you can keep the width constant and have the apparent-width of the scroll thumb be determined by transparent borders.

This would give the appearance of your current 2px scrollbar, but it'd be usable, and would visually expand out to show its grabbable area on hover:

  html::-webkit-scrollbar {
   width: 8px;
  }
  html::-webkit-scrollbar-track {
   background-color: transparent
  }
  html::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb {
   background: #d73f00;
   background-clip: padding-box;
   border-left: 6px solid transparent;
  }
  html::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb:hover {
   border: 0;
  }
(The key to it is the background-clip property, that lets you use the border to control where the background is drawn.)

You could also do exactly-this but without the :hover state, and it'd effectively just increase the grabbable-area of the thumb without any visual change to your current style. I like changing the visible width as a form of feedback though. :D


Makes sense. I'll give it a try. Thanks!


Added!

Seems to work.

Thank you!


> I thought that people anyway don't use the scroll bar that much

It's hard to do when every popular platform seems intent on making it unusable.


I made it expand on hover now.


Just search for "Digital Adoption Platform" and you will see lots of tools out there.


If you are targeting code generation, try Framer.


You can export .fig files as well.


I don't think it is a good idea to use disabled-like styling for enabled inputs. Especially for "classless" framework that targets simplicity and basic html standards. https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_in...


In cases like this I reply "Hi" in 10 minutes and close, so people see it would be easier to start with actual thing instead.


Funny to see this news on a website with cookie overlay for half of the window.


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