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He's created one of the largest and most pervasive surveillance systems on Earth--this is where the fortune comes from.


the reason you have no right to say this is that most FB communication and interaction simply wouldn't have happened off of facebook. That's how great it is. People keep in touch with friends, acquaintances turn into friends, who never would have. So I have very little sympathy for your point of view, since the benefits outweigh the fact that all this is (probably) surveilled.

It's not overt either. FB doesn't butt into your social life, you can say whatever you want to each other. you don't have to feel like someone is watching. Do you feel like you're in NK when you're on FB? I sure don't.


Do you feel like you're in NK when you're on FB? I sure don't.

That's kinda the key to effective surveillance: if the target doesn't feel the need to change their behavior, the data collected will be much more useful.

Have you ever seen the sort of targeted advertising dashboards FB has?


Oh man, am I pissed when FB learns something from my current Googling subjects and advertises me this creepily specific stuff. I always report it and ask to hide it, it's super offensive that it would do that. I try to keep FB use restricted to an incognito window for this reason and this doesn't often happen.

But this wasn't what we were talking about, I thought surveillance meant that the conversations you have on FB might be less anonymous than having them in real life - that's what it means to me. Except that the consquences are the same: none. la-de-da.

to turn it right around: "If the target doesn't feel the need to change their behavior, are you really restricting his/her freedom in any way?" Plus, it's not "need to change their behavior". Participating on FB is new behavior.

it's like having a chatty new friend, but who is gossipy. You know what you're getting into when you're talking with them, could still be worth it, and for billions of people including me, it is. I'm much more concerned with what FB shows my friends (i.e. my privacy settings) than some nebulous phantom objection to the fact that it's not all encrypted in a way that is end-to-end between clients, hiding the traffic even from facebook, generating dummy traffic with friends you're not actually talking to etc.

That would be the actual answer to the "surveillance" objection, and I guarantee you that even on this technical forum, the previous paragraph is the first time you even heard of this off-the-wall idea that nobody is suggesting. Stopping FB surveillance is just a non-issue.




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