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How do you reconcile your desire to leave behind hate when you cast a vote for a candidate who's core positions were one of hate? If Trump does not continue a platform of hate, how would you not view that as a slap in the face as a supporter? He promised you hate, you said "Yes, I'll take one of those", and now say don't do that? You can not have it both ways, your vote is one for hate whether you bury your head in the sand about that point or not.


>He promised you hate

Can you point to where he actively promoted or promised "hate"?

>You can not have it both ways, your vote is one for hate

You assume those with whom you disagree are below you morally. This mentality is why Trump is president.


He called for a ban on Muslim immigrants, said illegal Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists, and suggested that his supporters should assassinate his opponent. That's just off the top of my head.


He mocked a disabled reporter, he bragged about sexual assault, and he ran an ad that showed pictures of Jews with a voiceover talking about global special interests controlling the levers of power. Also off the top of my head.

I wish the people who voted for Trump would just be honest and take ownership of the hate, instead of trying to gaslight everyone by playing dumb.


I momentarily forgot about all the anti-semitic stuff, which is kind of odd seeing as how I'd be a target of it.


Yeah, it's subtle, but there is a definite hum of anti-semitism going on in the background of Trump's inner political circle.

First there was that poster with a six-pointed "sheriff" star on a pile of money, which (to me at least) didn't seem definitively anti-semitic. But in conjunction with hiring Steve Bannon (who has said he doesn't want his kids going to a school with too many Jews), running the "global special interests" ad, and retweeting white nationalists, it all starts to add up.


Mind you, AIPAC and co. have a massive influence in the US relative to the size of America's Jewish population.


>I wish the people who voted for Trump would just be honest and take ownership of the hate, instead of trying to gaslight everyone by playing dumb

I'm Canadian, so I didn't vote for anybody.

I'm simply not blinded by rhetoric and political leanings like most in the US are. It may surprise you, but many in the rest of the world think both sides are nuts.


Don't forget that his rallies regularly featured people chanting "hang that bitch". "We" just elected a politician that openly condones violence against someone with different political views. Hopefully it ends now but that is a dangerous path to go down and is the total opposite of what makes America "great".


>Don't forget that his rallies regularly featured people chanting "hang that bitch". "We" just elected a politician that openly condones violence against someone with different political views.

Condones violence? You know that Hilary has been behind actual violence, right? Voting for bombing other countries and such things? She voted to go into Iraq. How many people have died? Is she not accountable in any way?

Honest question if you're concerned about violence: who has more blood on their hands, Trump or Clinton?


>He called for a ban on Muslim immigrants

I don't agree with the approach, but do you understand why he said this? The idea was to vet people coming into the country to prevent homegrown terror. It's a real thing, and people are concerned about it. I doubt that it'll work, the problem is more nuanced, but it's not a ridiculous idea.

>said illegal Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists

No, he said that Mexico sends their worst, not that all Mexican immigrants are criminals.

>and suggested that his supporters should assassinate his opponent

Source?


I understand why Trump called for a ban on Muslim immigrants. Do you understand why such a thing would be grossly unconstitutional and is against everything this country should stand for?

For Mexicans, he said "they're rapists" without limiting the number. He then said some of them are good people, which is confusing and contradictory. Deciding what he really meant is a matter of interpretation and you'll never know if you have the right answer or not. This is, of course, a constant theme with the Trump campaign: say something outrageous, but with just enough wiggle room to explain it away as something else.

As for assassination: "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know." This was later explained as a reference to the pro-gun political power, but that makes no sense: Supreme Court justices with lifetime appointments don't care about political activism.


He didn't say any of those things.


Either you are lying, ignoring news, or are attempting to be too literal.

He really did call for a ban on muslims in the US. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07...

He did say mexicans bring crime, drugs and rapists. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/04/trump-stands-by-v...

He advocated a "second amendment solution" if Hillary were to be allowed to pick supreme court judges. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-h...


>He really did call for a ban on muslims in the US.

That's not what that says. Quote it. I'm so sick you liars.


How about when he said to go after the families of terrorists? You know, when he advocated committing a war crime?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terroris...

How about when he made fun of a disabled person?

How about all of the other hateful and demeaning stuff he said to various women?


>You know, when he advocated committing a war crime?

How about when your candidate actually did participate in things that other people consider war crimes, like bombing hospitals and DWOB encampments in the middle east?


How about recognizing the difference between a policy like "rounding up all the people of a certain race" with "said a mean thing to one person."


Hyperbole much? You conveniently take his words out of context:

1. "ban on Muslim immigrants"

"...until we find out what the heck is going on"

2. "illegal Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists"

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. .... And some, I assume, are good people."

3. I won't even touch the "assassination" thing.


This has been a constant theme in this election. I criticize Trump based on something he said. A supporter tells me I'm taking it out of context. I look up the context and it either doesn't change anything or just plain makes it even worse.

"...until we find out what the heck is going on" doesn't help. Hate doesn't stop being hateful when you say it's temporary, and neither does blatantly violating the Constitution become OK.

"And some, I assume, are good people." This immediately follows "They’re rapists." So, what does it mean? Some of the rapists are good people? Or he meant to say that some of them are rapists? Even there, "some" implies not huge amount, so "some are good people" implies most of them aren't. So, OK, he only called most illegal Mexican immigrants rapists, that's not much better.

Finally, let me guess, you believe his followup damage control that "second amendment people" meant their superior abilities at political organization?


That is the best piece of mental gymnastics yet.

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

How is that not an allusion to assassination? He is talking about a situation in which Hillary has won and appointed a judge. How else do people suspect "second amendment people" are going to stop her at that point?


Yeah, the explanation they followed up with makes no sense. Supreme Court judges with lifetime appointments don't care about your political activism, no matter how good you are at it.


I think his rhetoric is pretty hateful. I don't see how you could say it isn't, as though it's just misunderstood, when it's been a huge boon to the alt-right - which is _all_ about hate. I fear we will see more of that kind of rhetoric in the mainstream.


Exactly give the man back what he has sown! He has catered to hatred and divisiveness. That is what he should get back.


After his BS speech did you see him going down the line of people, kissing each woman on the left cheek, every one except the last one that is. She was about to pucker up and had to awkward kiss the guy next to her instead. Not racist? Yeah right. C'mon man she was at least a 7!


Downmod all you want - did you see it or not? What's your explanation?




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