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Could somebody explain to me the vicious American hate for China from a totally uninformed viewpoint? Any links to read why I should also dislike China?


> vicious American hate for China

Nationalistic flamebait is not ok on HN. Would you please stop posting that, and political flamebait in general, so we don't have to ban you again?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


You're being downvoted heavily (not surprising for a site with a strong US/Western audience), but here's what I think:

China is emerging geopolitical rival (balance) to the US (and the West in general).

Mainstream US media is great at amplifying US govt propaganda and publishing hit pieces on US rivals (see media portrayals of Soviet Union during the Cold war as an example: https://www.e-ir.info/2013/10/26/the-role-of-the-media-durin... ) or of Japan during the 80s (see https://spice.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/japan_in_the_us_press_bi...).

The same is happening against China now and there is an effort to shame anyone with contacts with China.


Found you comment at the bottom of the comment section. Feels like the only safe place here. I've been noticing that the past few years there has been a sharp uptick in vitriolic statements about China.

There was a great look at American 'propaganda' in one of the China in Africa podcast where they were debating whether Voice of America is American propaganda. I think their specific debate was about the term collateral debt in relation to the infrastructure projects China has undertaken in Africa and the agreements that support them. It really helped me see that while the term is still sharply defined when speaking about "other" nation's propaganda, American's have a very difficult time extracting ideas which were put out by the American government and picked up as talking points by the media.

I don't know if propaganda is still the correct term anymore, but it at least feels like group think, which worries me.


IP theft, copycat tech, and forced technology transfer [1] (US corps giving their IP to gain access to the market).

[1] https://econofact.org/what-is-the-problem-of-forced-technolo...


“It was the rise of Athens, and the fear that this instilled in Sparta, that made war inevitable.”


I don't think being suspicious of a country that has its citizens in literal concentration camps is "vicious hate". It's not a bad thing to turn a critical eye towards authoritarian states and questions their money and motives. Likewise, people should be critical of the US and its role in human rights violations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

https://www.france24.com/en/20190510-reporters-plus-survivin...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-...


USA has 2.3 million incarcerated and prison slavery is legal under the 13th amendment, a lot incarcerated based on race and for very small crimes. A lot of those prisons also have very rough conditions and prisoners are exposed to violent and inhumane treatment. This is extremely unethical. Why is this any different? Companies send their work to these prisons for literal slave labor and I never see anyone up in arms about it. Not many seem to be critical of their own government, but love judging other governments.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2018.html


Not many seem to be critical of their own government? Have you spent much time online? And you're pulling out whataboutism in reply to a comment that ends with "Likewise, people should be critical of the US and its role in human rights violations."


Ah, so you weren't asking a legitimate question, you were just baiting.


From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion[1] including large open air internment camps for ethnic/religious minorities like the Uyghur[2], political imprisonment[3], alleged organ harvesting of prisoners[4], supporting North Korea ...

From a purely tech perspective, state-sponsored hacking[5] and IP theft[6] are common.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

[3] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/china...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

[5] https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/state-hacking-1220201...

[6] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-s...


Please don't do the whole list-of-links-on-flamewar-topic thing on HN. It's internet boilerplate. Anything that predictable is off topic here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Come on if human right were really an issue for the US, Saudi Arabia which oppress half of its population, which is an absolute monarchy (you know the medieval version), which has absolutely no respect of basic human rights would not be one of the best US allies.


> From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion

This judgement coming from the country with the highest incarceration rate, criminalized abortion, caged immigrants, historic systematic racism, legal bribery (lobbying), genrrymandering electoral system, countless invasions with disastrous results in the middle east, africa & asia

Don't get me wrong but outside the US everyone is wondering what is the moral high ground?


It's whataboutism to mention that one has 1.5x more absolute and 5x more per-capita prisoners than a place one calls a police state.


Sorry, but accusing others of whataboutism doesn't detract from your own double standards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#Criticism

Others have criticized the usage of accusations of whataboutism by American news outlets, arguing that the accusation whataboutism has been used to simply "deflect" criticisms of human rights abuses perpetrated by the United States or its allies.

They argue that the usage of the term almost exclusively by American outlets is a double standard, and that moral accusations made by powerful countries are merely a pretext to punish their geopolitical rivals in the face of their own wrongdoing.

In fact, invoking 'whataboutism' in the way you have done is a misuse and a deliberate attempt to deflect.


Those are all things the USA has done in its past, and currently holds 2.3 million in prison with prison slavery legalized. Some of those are just "alleged" too.


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Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.


It kinda proves OP's point that Americans would be so outraged about somebody else violating the rights of muslims..


P theft, copycat tech, forced technology transfer, threatening US soldier, aggression toward US allies i.e. japan, taiwan, india


Why are you and the poster above you (espeed) posting the exact same sentences under different user names?


Can you establish that such a "vicious hatred" even exists?




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