I guess the idea is that the part that makes decisions is not under your control and you are just an "observer" who justifies what this "person" is doing. It is a scary thing if true, but can help in understanding why things are the way they are.
Okay, let's say you decide to stop justifying it. Does that result in any material difference in the real universe? If yes, congrats, you just made a fully voluntary impact on the world.
If you mean you're an observer and your judgement is fully isolated from any future behavior of the unconscious, then I'd be interested in hearing an elaborated version.
I'm not sure what point you're making, but it sounds like this is less about how you define the self and more about how you define involuntary. The heartbeat is an involuntary action and is simultaneously part of yourself. That's all I mean.
I agree that a heartbeat is an involuntary reflex but I don't see how you can compare that to the mind chatter which is AFAIK related to cognition much like the rest of your thoughts and mental processes.
Not only that, your inner monologue is completely unique to you. Probably from a part that you do not identify with which is why I was asking.
If you consider a young, attractive person who identifies with their beauty, eventually when they age and likely lose that beauty they once perceived, they end up feeling like they have lost themselves--or at least some huge aspect of themselves--and suffer greatly because of it.
Alternatively, if they recognize their looks are just a transient thing that is not their identity, then losing that perceived beauty is much more benign and life is more peaceful. It's because there was always much more to them than their perceived beauty.
It's the same thing with emotions and cognition. Identifying with mind chatter--or thoughts in general, in their supremely transient nature--is to impose a limitation on ourselves and invite suffering.
Not to pretend that I'm this untouchable entity that is above all of this, but I've found this to be a very healthy practice that makes space for a peaceful, harmonious way of living.
I know what you are talking about. Did zazen daily for years when I was younger.
Personally I found that detachment and identification are two different things. I do identify with mind chatter or emotions as part of me but I try to not get carried away by those things. As they say, this too shall pass.
Do you consider that the parts of yourself that are not conscious are in fact not part of yourself?
Otherwise it cannot be involuntary. Some part of you has decided to have those thoughts.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.