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> And this kind of idiotic thinking leads to a broken society where we are conditioned from childhood to pretend that all cultures are equal and that all differences are purely social constructions.

You don't read the thinkers you are calling idiots and you don't understand what you cited.

> Truth is in mathematics

Of all the human activities concerning truth, mathematics has the easiest time demonstrating its limitations, its inherent circularity, and the fact that in its absolute form it is ultimately out of reach for human beings. Your vulgar High Rationality is built on sand.



You could offer more than just "you don't know, and you don't understand". You could offer some knowledge and understanding.

It's fine to complain that critics of postmodernism don't understand it. But to not then explain looks a lot like hiding from criticism. "You don't understand, but I'm right and you're wrong" is not a productive conversation. It's smug arrogance that assumes its own superiority but won't actually engage with critics.


If math isn't true, how are you typing this?


No consistent logic can reach all truth.


There are many, wonderful kinds of logics which no mind like Gödel's has yet starved to death. Gödel true to his philosophy starved to death rather than be poisoned. If this was a poem I would call it fiction, for its impossible perfection.


> There are many, wonderful kinds of logics which no mind like Gödel's has yet starved to death.

For example?


Paraconsistent logic.


"Paraconsistent logic" by no means points out any particular logic: There are a lot of logics that are called paraconsistent because they have models refuting ex falso. But I've yet to see one that was useful for anything or illuminated anything about truth.

There are a lot of useless formal logics out there.


It's a class of examples... This guy writes well about them:

https://github.com/TeamSPoon/logicmoo_workspace/issues/22

My own view on truth exists very far from but in the same space as logic. I don't think a formal truth can exist as a singleton, but that one must consider the set of all statements together with all possible truths. Maybe this is a matrix of statements times the transpose of statements but I'm not sure about that implementation. Anyway, you get an immensely sparse product where statements match up with everything that is true about those statements, along with everything that is false about those statements. You can then attempt to compress this data and that compression is the logic. The vast sparseness, meaning much more false evaluations than true ones, implies a lot of structure which can be exploited in compression.

I don't think anything but many-valued logic like this can be consistent.


Not only that but that statement itself was proven mathematically!


Not all truth != not true


>You don't read the thinkers you are calling idiots and you don't understand what you cited.

I am not calling these philosophers idiots, I am saying that they encourage dangeous thinking.

The OP quotes:

>Patterns regulating social relations do not derive from reason.

And what I'm saying is that they partly do, as emergent adaptations to reality, except in pampered cultures where comforts erase impetus.

I deleted the part about mathematics because it was no longer applicable to what I ended up writing.

>Your vulgar High Rationality is built on sand

My high rationality is built on the observation that a large swath of people actually believe that there is little value in the cultural norms of old. I used to feel similarly. Then I grew up. My vulgarity is built on frustration with the modern state of the world and the headstrong ignorance of the young adult population in the US. Here's a case in point - ignorant young people would be less uppity if they were taught to show amount some respect to elders. Not blindly, but in the US we seem to have lost an appreciation for the experience that comes with age.


> young people would be less uppity if they were taught to show amount some respect to elders. Not blindly, but in the US we seem to have lost an appreciation for the experience that comes with age

To me it seems like the pendulum shifted from something of a mandate for blind respect of elders to the opposite end of blind disregard for experience and expertise.

Such cultural pendulums are not uncommon though, and we're probably due for this one to begin shifting its momentum back the other way over the next decade or so.


> My vulgarity is built on frustration with the modern state of the world and the headstrong ignorance of the young adult population in the US.

Wow young people who lack experience are often headstrong and ignorant. Brilliant, groundbreaking observation there. This surely has not been a thing since civilization began.

> Here's a case in point - ignorant young people would be less uppity if they were taught to show amount some respect to elders.

And what "respect" should that be. I'll extend a base level of respect and courtesy to everyone, until I have a reason not to. Not all ideas have merit just because they are traditional, just like new ideas are not inherently better than old ones


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Ironic response.

I'm in my late 20s. Not a boomer, just on the spectrum.




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