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Don't know what you were hoping to show with this comment, maybe you were unaware that there were archive links of her tweets.

In any case, Domingos wasn't wrong, yet for some reason you seem far less willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, while asking others to do so for people you seem to agree with. Even in this case, for a person who clearly doesn't deserve it. I am curious as to why.



I'm quite aware, which I why I wanted someone to try and bring up the particular transgressions. From context, it's clear that "cancelling" in is being used as personal thing. That is, a list of people someone can choose not to interact with. Bad phrasing, yes, nothing more.

And yes, I think this is pretty clear since in other contexts Anima notes that she's trying to use this as a list of people to engage with and educate, and someone asks well what if I don't want to spend effort educating people, and this is her response. The idea that she should spend time trying to educate and engage with these people, but if you don't want to do that, you should try and get them fired doesn't really make much sense.

> In any case, Domingos wasn't wrong

I certainly think he was, and unlike Anandkumar, he's made no attempt to apologize and continues to grandstand.


"Educate" != "harass", though. The suggestion was much more along the lines of "all of you beat up on these people until they cave". That's harassment, not education.


Based on what evidence do you make that claim?

Did you see anyone harass anyone on the list? Was that behavior condoned?


Based literally on what she asked her supporters to do.


Where do you get "harass them" from "We need to get them away from fanaticism...We need [allies] who can engage with them."

What part of that suggests harassment? I saw more than one case of positive interactions between Anandkumar and others who initially disagreed or were on the fence who then discussed things offline. That certainly didn't appear to be harassment.

In response to your below comment:

> The part you didn't quote. The part about "re-educating" them

The full tweet I'm quoting is

> I am looking for volunteers to try and change the minds of fanboys of Pedro (real people and not bots, everyone I saw is male). Especially junior people. We need to get them away from fanaticism. I can share my blocked list. We need #ALLY who can engage with them. Please DM me.

Heck, in another tweet she noted "My blocked list is not meant to be punitive."

There's nothing about "re-educating", and even searching up discussions here and on reddit that contained quotes of her tweets, I couldn't find anything mentioning "re-education", except your comment and one other in this thread. Neither references an originating tweet, and, not for lack of trying, I can't find anything on waybackmachine that includes the term, and I'd have assumed that someone would have taken the time to either comment on it or capture it at the time.

Could you please point out her use of the term, because I'm unaware of it. So the rest of your comment doesn't make much sense as it appears to be based significantly on words that weren't actually said, and further based on subtext and implications of words that, again, were never actually written.

> And if all that is fine, why did she apologize?

Perhaps because she's willing to apologize when she's made others feel uncomfortable. That's essentially what her apology says.


Replying to your update. (Editing a parent post to reply to a child makes the conversation rather confusing, but I suppose you were rate-limited.)

I saw "re-education" in (at least) one of the posts here. It seemed to be a direct quote. I took that as being accurate. I have not gone groveling through every possible tweet that she sent to check the wording.

So either the quote was accurate, in which case it was bad wording (at least) and the apology is perhaps a bit lacking. Or the quote isn't accurate, but is someone's projecting their own opinion on what she said, and I'm a sucker for falling for it. Naturally, I'd prefer to believe the former, because it makes me not the bad guy, but... you very well could be right.


The part you didn't quote. The part about "re-educating" them. (This leaves two options. 1) She didn't know the history of the term. I find that condescendingly insulting; an educated person should know that. Or 2) she knew full well the use of the term in history, and used it anyway.)

So: First try to re-educate them, and if that doesn't work, then cancel them. Said to a relatively large group of supporters.

And if all that is fine, why did she apologize?




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