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Seeing the current state of Detroit, you have a point that such practices may not have been sustainable.


Detroit did this to themselves. They failed to innovate and got beat by the Japanese on quality. That wasn’t the unions fault, but the union gets blamed.

The unions complaints were only that they were gonna get left holding the bag when things got bad while the c suite floated off with full pockets..and they were right.


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Ford, GM, Dodge have made an absolute killing in SUVs and trucks over the last several years.

Ford sold about 900,000 F150 in 2019 alone. That's not even counting 250s and higher.

And these trucks and SUVs are WILDLY profitable!

And they are made with union labor...

I just don't get it since "the uaw people literally avoid any kind of work"

How do they build millions of trucks and SUVs then?


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I do admit we got some labor rights out of the union movement. But there has to be a balance between rights and duties. I am only talking about accountability. Also I work in R&D and hence my situation is a little different from manufacturing. Also FYI I do slave from 8am to 8pm on most of the days.


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Are you suggesting that the labour movement is actually not the cause of (western-)Europe's significantly better labour/welfare laws than the US - which unsurprisingly happens to never had a European-style mass labour movement?


I'm not sure about 'better'. They have different laws.

American workers do enjoy a better standard of living than European workers.


Without looking at how Detroit failed you cannot deduce from the presence of unions that they were the cause.




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