> However, as the pressure campaign escalated, so did the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site. Feeling attacked, users of the site became even more aggressive. Over the last two weeks, we have proactively reached out to law enforcement in multiple jurisdictions highlighting what we believe are potential criminal acts and imminent threats to human life that were posted to the site.
I’m sorry, but what?
Few thoughts:
1. Couldn’t people be joining Kiwifarms and acting aggressive to get it banned?
2. Why is cloudflare reporting anything to police? That’s effectively implying they are regularly reviewing content… which is weird if your providing DDoS protection.
The main issue I take is that cloudflare isn’t hosting the content… it’s providing protection from DDoS. So kiwifarms is literally having their security turned on them.
That is imo a breach of contract. It’s one thing to just drop them as a customer it’s another to:
> Visitors to any of the Kiwifarms sites that use any of Cloudflare's services will see a Cloudflare block page and a link to this post.
You’re hijacking their website and saying “read our content” instead.
“We may at our sole discretion suspend or terminate your access to the Websites and/or Online Services at any time, with or without notice for any reason or no reason at all. We also reserve the right to modify or discontinue the Websites and/or Online Services at any time (including, without limitation, by limiting or discontinuing certain features of the Websites and/or Online Services) without notice to you. We will have no liability whatsoever on account of any change to the Websites and/or Online Services or any suspension or termination of your access to or use of the Websites and/or Online Services.”
It’s clear they can cancel service; it’s not clear from the cloudflare TOS they can redirect you to their own content.
That doesn’t mean a judge would necessarily rule in kiwifarms favor or anything, but it seems obvious to me litigation could work sue to ambiguity.
Further, cloudflare could open itself to a lawsuit from police. If they already notified law enforcement then they are probably interfering in an investigation by letting the world know AND shutting down the source of said investigation.
I’m sure cloudflare complies with all lawful orders to police and any unlawful activity reported to them that’s verifiable. It’s standard cover your ass policy. You can’t expect a corporation to put its own politics in front of its shareholders
I’m sorry, but what?
Few thoughts:
1. Couldn’t people be joining Kiwifarms and acting aggressive to get it banned?
2. Why is cloudflare reporting anything to police? That’s effectively implying they are regularly reviewing content… which is weird if your providing DDoS protection.
The main issue I take is that cloudflare isn’t hosting the content… it’s providing protection from DDoS. So kiwifarms is literally having their security turned on them.
That is imo a breach of contract. It’s one thing to just drop them as a customer it’s another to:
> Visitors to any of the Kiwifarms sites that use any of Cloudflare's services will see a Cloudflare block page and a link to this post.
You’re hijacking their website and saying “read our content” instead.