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> if we follow the meritocratic ideology that everyone has the same opportunities available to them, it would be a natural conclusion

It's a natural-sounding conclusion that has no evidentiary basis in reality. Different cultural and ethnic groups value and specialize in different things, which over generations make for significant differences in the average member of those groups.

This is one of the biggest fallacies when it comes to policies that incorporate preferences based on racial, gender, or whatever other demographic basis you can think of: that absent biases (or "structures of oppression" or what have you), each and every subsection of society will reflect the composition of the whole more or less perfectly.

Asians are 6.3% of the US population yet comprise only 0.1% of the NFL (literally a handful of players among 1500+ in the active roster). Is it because football racially discriminates against Asians? No, it's because Asians as a whole are not very interested in being professional football players. There's nothing that stops the odd individual of Asian descent from making it to the NFL.

Women are roughly half of the population yet comprise only 13% of taxicab drivers. Is there a taxicab union that's preventing women from joining? No, on the whole women aren't very interested in being taxicab drivers. There's nothing that stops the odd woman from being one, though.

So on and so forth for literally every slice of life you can think of; you will never find anything that reflects the demographics of the underlying society. Hell, even the demographics of the 50 states don't reflect the demographics of the country as a whole. Vermont is only 1.5% black, whereas Alabama is nearly 30% black. By that metric, Vermont would be 20x as discriminatory against black people, wouldn't it?



> So on and so forth for literally every slice of life you can think of; you will never find anything that reflects the demographics of the underlying society.

Aside from discrimination built into the slices of life, sure.

To use your NFL example, a pull quote from a 2022 Yahoo article: "Those who did come faced virulent racism and discrimination". There's a number of articles on Google under the search "nfl discrimination against asians" which show the same thing.

This can be repeated with similar results for all of the other examples you've brought up as well.

And when there's discrimination happening in the workforce, it can't be used to say "this is the natural balance of [attribute] in the workforce".


Can you take the smallest slice, "people who are literally exactly you" and find no preferences that can't be attributed to discriminatory experiences?


To have complete equality of outcome between ethnic groups would surely involve homogenisation of their cultures. That sounds totalitarian as hell if you ask me.




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