I don’t think conflating mental unwellness (which can imply an inability to feel shame) with an absence of shame in otherwise mentally well people does any particular justice to the situation.
Mentally well people don’t defecate on streets, at least not under anything less than extreme privation. Those experiencing that privation likely already feel ample shame over it.
I’m pretty sure I said exactly this in my comment. You can’t pile shame onto people who don’t feel shame; social schemes that apply shame pretty much only hurt people who already feel shame.
Easy. There are days where I feel like staying home and drinking beer / eating junk food / playing computer games. It's only because I know that's not the right thing to do that I instead go to work and do something productive, hit the gym, help kids with homework and so on. Now granted, people can come to a stage where shame is not enough to keep them going and they need medicines, therapy and so on. But for someone lacking a moral compass in the first place, none of these things are going to work. We are biologically programmed to seek easy dopamine hits. It takes knowing that it's wrong to smoke fentanyl and get high to make use of available addiction treatment.
No idea, I assume most people are like that and that some go for pills/therapy and the rest just don't talk about it much? But I am pretty sure that if I indulged these impulses every time, I would have a big problem soon. And then to get out of it, I would need to rediscover healthy shame of being a drunk, an unfit slob and a loser.
That's not what they said, this has to be a bad faith interpretation. Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) for example has lack of shame as one of its defining traits.
> That's not what they said, this has to be a bad faith interpretation. Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) for example has lack of shame as one of its defining traits.
Read the thread. You're commenting on discussions you're ignorant and oblivious about. You're in a thread where GP talks about mentally unwell people who "defecate on streets" and you're now trying to pass it off as mere narcisists?
The person said "People without shame are mentally unwell."
You said "How do you expect to treat mental illness through shaming?"
My interpretation of the first statement is that lack of shame is a characteristic that is present in some mental illnesses.
My interpretation of your reply is that you were portraying the original statement as saying that people that are mentally ill should be shamed in order to get well. Which I thought was very far from my own interpretation.
Due to this I went to google and searched for lack of shame as a trait of mental illnesses to check if there were any, and NPD came up as one example. So it seemed like the original statement was correct while saying nothing about how to treat people which is what you implied.
Mentally well people don’t defecate on streets, at least not under anything less than extreme privation. Those experiencing that privation likely already feel ample shame over it.